Copperbands Valentine's Day Lovefest - Not

[Duffer2]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

I have seen other display tanks with Yellow Tangs and Copperbands, and they all seemed happy, so I know it can be done. But it couldn't have been all peace and love, right at the introduction. And I have seen tanks with more than 1 Copperband.

Reef Pilot

Currently have a Yellow Tang and a Copperband hanging out peacefully in my 120. The Yellow kicked the crap outta the copper for 3 days. He then got placed in the sump for 3 days, brought back in, and now everyone gets along just fine. Copperband will be 2 years old in captivity next month.

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by Duffer2

Currently have a Yellow Tang and a Copperband hanging out peacefully in my 120. The Yellow kicked the crap outta the copper for 3 days. He then got placed in the sump for 3 days, brought back in, and now everyone gets along just fine. Copperband will be 2 years old in captivity next month.

Congrats, Dave, on your success with the Copperband. 2 years old is proof enough. Did yours eat Aiptasia?

How did you catch your Yellow Tang? Net won't work for me. I am thinking of trying a trap, but haven't got one, or tried to make one yet.

Reef Pilot

[The Grizz]

Daniella, I think that this bothers you as much as it does me for the simple reason is that CBB don't have a very good survival rate. I had my fist one for 4 months, loved Mysis like it was crack. It would feed right out of my had 2 days after being in my tank. I would feed him 2-3 times a day just to make sure it was eating. All Mysis I feed in soaked in Garlic Extreme and they love it.

But them one day for what ever reason it decided to stop eating anything, just like most do. There are some that have had extremely great success with CCB but after trying 2 of them I will no long bring on home and do feel that they should be left in the big blue.

Until there is an ORA CBB I will Never attempt to keep one.

Reef Pilot, I hope you have a couple CBB that will survive in the home aquarium. Best of luck trying to keep 2 of them in the same tank but I have a gut feeling that you might have to rehome one of them before they kill each other.

[reefwars]

im gonna take a different approach then all the higher morals here and offer advice instead of lecture lecture lecture.......as most who comment here dont practise what they preach.......

my best advice is to work slowly not to add anymore fish and once they are settled in remove the damsel. i love the saying monkey see monkey do and i use it for clowns all the time when it comes to hosting as i find sometimes seeing another clown host a nem will get others to try as well....fish arent born by themselves and get alot out of what they "see"


try making the eggcrate smaller if they can get their nose all the way through so as not to be able to touch each other yet.


try adding moonlights to ease some tension in the dark at night


after the rock you have in there has been there for a while switch it over with the odd new piece from your display so they dont get bored grazing the same rock



personally i see no harm so far and it would seem to me your in control of the situation keep researching and constant watch on their behaviors ,study them at night and early in the morning to get their full behavior patterens. do the usual and keep your refuge clean and i would leave them in there untill you have made a solid decision on whther or not they will both go into the display.....



for all those who say " ive bought x amount of coppers now and since they died they are better off left in the ocean" im sure alot of us have lost more of other things like clams,corals,and inverts ......i mean ive lost countless zoas and ive killed off kenyas like no tomorrow , ive been on my 3rd elegance and i know of people who are now losing clams by the handfulls........under those same words all these should be left in the ocean because we lost more than one.

a true fact of this hobby is these animals are very delicate and sometimes we dont quite understand why things happen but their are reasons because they live in the wild so unless we try we will never know......and if by some chance what if the copperband was to go extinct???? would be nice to kow that we could help maintain numbers with captive bred


at one time all these things belonged in the ocean only and as time goes by were constantly finding better foods better equipment and better practises....i dont believe in shutting the door especially after weve tried opening it......would be a waste of life given by these animals to us.


cheers man and im down with the "band"

[The Grizz]

Originally Posted by reefwars

for all those who say " ive bought x amount of coppers now and since they died they are better off left in the ocean" im sure alot of us have lost more of other things like clams,corals,and inverts ......i mean ive lost countless zoas and ive killed off kenyas like no tomorrow , ive been on my 3rd elegance and i know of people who are now losing clams by the handfulls........under those same words all these should be left in the ocean because we lost more than one.

I have tried a couple different small SPS frag, died, will not do anymore SPS until to figure out why. My huge duncans suddenly died recently, will not have any more until I figure out why. Several clams as of late, gone, WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER FOR A VERY LONG TIME. If it doesn't live the first time there is no second attempt for a long long time.

I hope you do pull this off with 2 CBB, it would be a awesome success. Could be an article in the making.

Agreed that the ideas Reefwars suggested would be worth a try.

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by The Grizz

I have tried a couple different small SPS frag, died, will not do anymore SPS until to figure out why. My huge duncans suddenly died recently, will not have any more until I figure out why. Several clams as of late, gone, WILL NOT BUY ANOTHER FOR A VERY LONG TIME. If it doesn't live the first time there is no second attempt for a long long time.

I hope you do pull this off with 2 CBB, it would be a awesome success. Could be an article in the making.

Agreed that the ideas Reefwars suggested would be worth a try.

crap greg thats some rough luck lately, ive always been following your tank and its weird for sure and within time im sure it will even itself out just frustrating i bet for sure......keep the puchases down to minimum costs just some cheap stuff untill you can figure whats going on is what i probably would do sometimes it just helps to sit back relax, keep it clean dont add anything for a bit and then see where you stand


glad to say i have a cube tank build thread starting soon was able to take some nice glass home with me hehe

[The Grizz]

Originally Posted by reefwars

crap greg thats some rough luck lately, ive always been following your tank and its weird for sure and within time im sure it will even itself out just frustrating i bet for sure......keep the puchases down to minimum costs just some cheap stuff untill you can figure whats going on is what i probably would do sometimes it just helps to sit back relax, keep it clean dont add anything for a bit and then see where you stand


glad to say i have a cube tank build thread starting soon was able to take some nice glass home with me hehe

I think some of the problem might have been when I was unable to really maintain the tank the way I wanted to do to lack of work.


There are going to be some big changes this year on the 8'er. Big a$$ recirc. skimmer, profilux controller, MH lighting, ATO & water change system, more flow and a bigger tank. Skimmer is on the way.

[reefwars]

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"Until there is an ORA CBB I will Never attempt to keep one."



if we dont learn to keep them then there will never be

[intarsiabox]

Well Reef Pilot, what's done is done. I doubt your pet store will take back a marine fish but you could try selling one of them privately if you like. Before you introduce them into your display tank try removing the tang for a while to let the CBB establish territory and after a few weeks the tang will be the new kid on the block and may not be aggressive towards the other fish (maybe). I wouldn't get too upset about trying to keep CBB fish, unless a store only stocks captive bred fish then for every live fish you see in their tanks there is probably 10 dead ones that didn't make it through the process between capture and retail sales. None of us is any better and are all to blame for the many marine animal deaths whether by our own hands or not. So just give it your best effort and maybe you will suprise everyone with 2 healthy CBB's that live for many years. I to had an aggressive yellow tang years ago and the second I tried adding a new fish to the tank he would stab the poor new comer to death in minutes so I had to dismantle my whole reef to get the bugger out and gone for good.

[Duffer2]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

Congrats, Dave, on your success with the Copperband. 2 years old is proof enough. Did yours eat Aiptasia?

How did you catch your Yellow Tang? Net won't work for me. I am thinking of trying a trap, but haven't got one, or tried to make one yet.

Reef Pilot

Yeah mine wipes out aiptasia at an astonishing rate. I have actually swapped a few pieces of rock with a guy who was going to cook his rock and the CBB cleaned it in a couple days. When I introduce aiptasia covered rock or new rock, the CBB seems more interested in the rock then the mysis.

Catching the tang was tricky. Did the whole red flash light in the middle of the night trick. I knew where he slept, and ambushed the bugger.

Interesting thing about my CBB is that I only feed him once a day. He's only ever got PE mysis and he looks as "fat" as any I've seen in captivity. Saying that, I think my pod population seems to keep him fairly busy.

I think a lot of CBB survival is pure luck. Many many better reefers then I have lost them, and this is my first crack and I've been successful. I certainly don't attribute it to anything special or remarkable that I have done. If anything I should give full credit to his previous owner Alberta_Reefer, who got him into such good health when he sold him to me. Good luck with the 2 CBB's.

And remember, the best way by far to save the fishes is skip the sushi!!!