Canreef Aquatics Bulletin Board  

Go Back   Canreef Aquatics Bulletin Board > General > DIY

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-26-2011, 09:38 PM
Lampshade's Avatar
Lampshade Lampshade is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Abbotsford
Posts: 629
Lampshade is on a distinguished road
Default

I"ve been doing a lot of research on this aswell, i've seen a few nice tanks with 40 degree optics, some even with 20. They tend to be layed out in a cookie sheet way, staggerings each line of LED's. I think it's more dependant on your density of LED's and the height mounted oabove the tank. 10" above the tank is pertty common, If you are going more than 2.5" centers on the LED's i would suggest 60 degree, if less than 2.5" then 40 should be fine IMO. Check out as many pics as you can to see what you're getting into.



and if you are using XP-E's a 1:1 ratio will be a 14K balance, if you use XP-G white's you can get away with less whites, forget the combo for 14K though. The blue's don't help growth much, basically for our viewing and popping coral color (The datasheet for cree shows this with the light off the whites, it's very close to the PAR we're looking for)

As for heatsinks, there's lots of choices, but generally people WAY over build heatsinks. Cree's give off a lot of heat, no doubt, but you can calculate the heat gain vs loss pretty easy to see what you actually need.(i posted links on some other recent DIY thread)

Drivers have lots of choices, meanwell's are popular as with the buckpucks. More drivers gives you more "zones" for dimming/control. 1 driver dims all the lights together.

As for cheap controllers. Depends on how fancy you want to get... but look at arduino boards. There's LOTS and i mean LOTS of LED builds using these. Uses C programming, but i've found many chucks of code online that people have posted that got their LED's working and controlable. Arduino's start at $20 for something that will control 2 drivers with PWM outputs and $35 for something that'll do 6(Arduino Mega). If you get into it the arduino can do pretty much everything, i'm building a tank controller based off one right now.
__________________
My 150 In Wall Build
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-26-2011, 09:59 PM
StirCrazy's Avatar
StirCrazy StirCrazy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kamloops, BC
Posts: 7,872
StirCrazy is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampshade View Post


As for heatsinks, there's lots of choices, but generally people WAY over build heatsinks. Cree's give off a lot of heat, no doubt, but you can calculate the heat gain vs loss pretty easy to see what you actually need.(i posted links on some other recent DIY thread).
I don't see a problem with this at all, I would rather have an overbuilt heat sink anyday than one that is a perfect match. so many people try to skimp on some things for a matter of 20 bucks, this isn't one area that should be done IMHO. for example.. if you fan dies on a exact sized heat sink and you don't know about it then you run the risk of burnning out several LEDs, if you have a over sized heat sink it reduces the chance of losing LEDs as you are not as dependent on the fan.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampshade View Post
As for cheap controllers. Depends on how fancy you want to get... but look at arduino boards. There's LOTS and i mean LOTS of LED builds using these. Uses C programming, but i've found many chucks of code online that people have posted that got their LED's working and controlable. Arduino's start at $20 for something that will control 2 drivers with PWM outputs and $35 for something that'll do 6(Arduino Mega). If you get into it the arduino can do pretty much everything, i'm building a tank controller based off one right now.
on this topic, have you seen any dimming programs for Arduino using a varable voltage output instead of PWMs?

Steve
__________________
*everything said above is just my opinion, and may or may not reflect the views of this BBS, its Operators, and its Members. If cornered on any “opinion” I post I will totally deny having ever said this in a Court of Law…Unless I am the right one*

Some strive to be perfect.... I just strive.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-26-2011, 10:10 PM
Lampshade's Avatar
Lampshade Lampshade is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Abbotsford
Posts: 629
Lampshade is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
on this topic, have you seen any dimming programs for Arduino using a varable voltage output instead of PWMs?
Arduino's can't output a variable voltage, but you can buy filters that will change PWM outputs to a 0-5v or 0-10V. check out:http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/inde...owtopic=230743 - different values work for different pulse widths, there's online calculators to see what you need.

As for heatsinks you are right, overbuilt is no problem at all with me either. I'm not going to go buy 60" of 10" pure aluminum heat sink with 1.5": fins now though, after calculating it a bare piece of aluminum with a fan on it would work "in theory". I'm going to probably run aluminum channel, and also I'm going to have an arduino running my LED's, so for $2.50 i can get a thermometer on the heatsink to shutoff for overheating, i'll proably put 4-5 of them on just to be sure.
__________________
My 150 In Wall Build

Last edited by Lampshade; 01-26-2011 at 10:29 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-26-2011, 10:24 PM
Lampshade's Avatar
Lampshade Lampshade is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Abbotsford
Posts: 629
Lampshade is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Now do you know how I would calculate the AC power requirements?
Your AC should be pretty much Watts in = Watts out/efficiency

Drivers vary efficiency depending on how well they're used(they like to be run near max all the time). usually >70% though. so 48LED's, driven at 3v per LED, at 750mA(3/4 load) would be about 86.4W at 80%, so 0.72A at 120V. Not bad at all...
__________________
My 150 In Wall Build
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-26-2011, 10:28 PM
GMGQ's Avatar
GMGQ GMGQ is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 400
GMGQ is on a distinguished road
Default

How did you calculate that?

And what is that in terms of a power supply's AC_out and Amps? So in your example, would this one suffice?
http://ledsupply.com/04004-p96.php




Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampshade View Post
Your AC should be pretty much Watts in = Watts out/efficiency

Drivers vary efficiency depending on how well they're used(they like to be run near max all the time). usually >70% though. so 48LED's, driven at 3v per LED, at 750mA(3/4 load) would be about 86.4W at 80%, so 0.72A at 120V. Not bad at all...
__________________
Gary
Tank was up for 7yrs and 10months. Thanks Everyone!

2016/2017 180Gallon Build Coming Soon...
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-26-2011, 11:46 PM
Lampshade's Avatar
Lampshade Lampshade is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Abbotsford
Posts: 629
Lampshade is on a distinguished road
Default

Watts is just P = EI, or watts = voltage * current
__________________
My 150 In Wall Build
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-18-2011, 06:33 PM
GMGQ's Avatar
GMGQ GMGQ is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 400
GMGQ is on a distinguished road
Default

For guys that have DIY LED setups, do you just run the royal blue array at the lowest voltage for moonlights? Or would that be overkill (i.e. if you had say 24/48 in blue LEDs)?

Or did you install a separate set of blues for moonlights? And if so, how many do you run? My tank is 48" wide, will 5-6 LEDs evenly spaced be sufficient?
__________________
Gary
Tank was up for 7yrs and 10months. Thanks Everyone!

2016/2017 180Gallon Build Coming Soon...

Last edited by GMGQ; 02-18-2011 at 06:36 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.