Stop The Meter On Your Internet Use

lastlight · #1 01-25-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

Please, this is a serious issue and insinuating that the petition will sign you up for telemarketing calls does not help the issue.

That being said, thanks for taking the time to sign it and please forward the link to anyone who cares about fair competition for ISP's in Canada!

-TDF

I was the one that made the joke you can be serious with me if you'd like lol.

globaldesigns · #2 01-25-2011, 04:30 PM

I have a different take on this, and do agree with the ISP's in many ways.

Here is an article about it on CBC:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/...canadians.html

I think the problem is that the ISP's will make it a cash grab and screw everyone, but in reality they should apply the fees to the abusers only.

If the ISP's were smart they would provide packages. If you are a small user, surfing the occasional website and doing email... Then no change or even better a lower price, but if you use Netflix for 5 hours a night, download tonnes of music or whatever, then you pick a higher usage package, if you need more bandwidth then again you pay more. I see no problem with that, based on that is the major cost to all ISP's, Hosting companies and so on...

Lets see what happens, but most likely as I already stated, the ISP will take advantage of the basic usage and gouge them some extra cash.

DiverDude · #3 01-25-2011, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by globaldesigns

I think the problem is that the ISP's will make it a cash grab and screw everyone, but in reality they should apply the fees to the abusers only.

I'm with Rick on this one. Why should my mother who uses maybe a couple of Gig a month suddenly pay more for internet because somebody sits on their couch all day watching movies on Netflix ?

I think Rick's got it nailed -the big companies are looking to apply moderate rate increases across the board -and this will bring them MUCH more cash than simply billing the abusers. Of course, that detail will never see the light of day; they'll just point out that bandwidth usage is increasing all the time (and it is) and that everyone has to pay more.

I'll sign the petition because I know that's what going to happen and that's not right. However, I approve of (and would support) a proper initiative to see them cover their additional costs on abusers.

TheDogFather · #4 01-25-2011, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by globaldesigns

I have a different take on this, and do agree with the ISP's in many ways.

Here is an article about it on CBC:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/...canadians.html

I think the problem is that the ISP's will make it a cash grab and screw everyone, but in reality they should apply the fees to the abusers only.

If the ISP's were smart they would provide packages. If you are a small user, surfing the occasional website and doing email... Then no change or even better a lower price, but if you use Netflix for 5 hours a night, download tonnes of music or whatever, then you pick a higher usage package, if you need more bandwidth then again you pay more. I see no problem with that, based on that is the major cost to all ISP's, Hosting companies and so on...

Lets see what happens, but most likely as I already stated, the ISP will take advantage of the basic usage and gouge them some extra cash.

The problem is that small ISP's that resell DSL cannot compete on a level playing field. Bell set's the wholesale pricing and is free to under cut the little guy with individual promotions. This effectively wipes out the small players leaving you no other option but Bell or Rogers who are then free to impose tiny caps so you can't enjoy services such as Netflix without paying exorbitant band width charges. The actual cost of 1GB data transfer is about $0.02. Bell and Rogers will charge you $1-$2 per GB raking in huge profits and stifling innovation.

corpusse · #5 01-25-2011, 07:11 PM

I can't remember a time when I didn't have a cap. I have no idea what unlimited use feels like anymore.

In the old days sympatico used to cap at 5 gigs up 5 gigs down!! I'd be done in a couple of days.

I'm now capped at 125 gigs which is pretty reasonable on rogers. The only problem is I can't use the bandwidth for what I want. My primary bandwidth use was sharing live (not copywritten) music on Bit Torrent. I realize the majority of BT traffic is for pirated stuff but there are plenty of legit uses for it too.

lastlight · #6 01-25-2011, 07:47 PM

I was young and living at home and we had cadvision dial-up. I downloaded my first 2 gigs of mp3s...some were actually mp2s lol by secretly leaving the computer ON at night. My dad had this thing about us shutting it off at night. Anyways we all found out about the limits on the account that month and the next month I was the first of my friends to have their own dedicated high speed connections haha. My folks had dial-up upstairs for a couple more years.

ponokareefer · #7 01-25-2011, 07:47 PM

This has the potential to be extremely bad for people in general in Canada. Who typically uses the most internet? Businesses! They already pay higher fees than personal consumers, so if they have a to a lot more, they are going to be raising their prices to their consumers. What it will amount to is inflation for the country as a whole.

JMes · #8 01-25-2011, 08:33 PM

Impossibe to abuse your ISP. ISP monitor every byte you download and upload,every website you surf on is logged. Why do you think hackers use proxies. If you abuse your ISP by hammering the server you will get a phone call from the Shaw police,if you continue they will shut you down.(been there done that). For the cost effective package on Shaw you have 70gb data transfer limit per month.
Shaw already offers different internet packages. I switched to the business over 10 years ago as I am a heavy downloader off the news servers.
It's faster and my transfer limit is alot more than the cheaper package they offer. I still pay less today then I did 16 years ago on dial up.
This is just an excuse to raise the rates. In reality it's because internet has become so mainstream and integrated in everyday life. Look how we access and use the internet via from 10 years ago.(ipods,iphones,wireless,utube,facebook ect). For most people the reason they have a computer is to access and communicate on the internet. With all the advancements there's a downside. Sure,the IPS make money,but costs alot of money to upgrade their system,upgrade the speed,and
maintenance. If ISP raise rates are you going to stop using the internet? At the end of the day it's going to be the consumer that has to pay. It's inevitable.

lastlight · #9 01-25-2011, 08:35 PM

It's crack that's legal. Everyone will pay.

freezetyle · #10 01-25-2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

The problem is that small ISP's that resell DSL cannot compete on a level playing field. Bell set's the wholesale pricing and is free to under cut the little guy with individual promotions. This effectively wipes out the small players leaving you no other option but Bell or Rogers who are then free to impose tiny caps so you can't enjoy services such as Netflix without paying exorbitant band width charges. The actual cost of 1GB data transfer is about $0.02. Bell and Rogers will charge you $1-$2 per GB raking in huge profits and stifling innovation.

I agree with the 100% look at canada's cell phone plan rates compared to the us and Europe. We are getting overcharged for the same service. A basic cell phone plan with data starts around 80 dollars a month thats with 350 daytime mins unlimited evening/weekend , and 500 mb of data. just checking verizon website you can get unlimited calling and unlimited data for 20 dollars more.

I am willing to give a little credit to canadian suppliers because don't get nearly as many dropped calls. Its still unfair