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[golf nut]

When you said two sides viewable I thought we had won a watch, now I see one side is actually an end panel, although this doesn't eliminate the system I have been discussing in the mulltidirectional thread it does make it a little trickier, assuming the back wall is black indicates that you don't plan on spending much time viewing back there and that wall may well have rock against it, correct me if I am wrong.

Just a thought, if you were to swing the tank 90 degrees you would have a true two side view and a better view from your desk, if not then we will deal with the cards we have been dealt, alternatively if you give up the viewing area in the fish room then we can accomplish almost everything.

Typically I start by determining where the overflow is and insisting that surface water moves in that direction, you would be amazed at the number of people that have it all wrong and do not understand why they are having a tough time with their system, their surface water is akin to a cesspool.

In your case you have what I would usually label a peninsula tank, except you blacked out one side, return water from the sump should enter the tank at the visible end at the surface and be fired horizontally down to the overflow end, where you have a Beananimals drain system.
Regardless of whether you go with the barrel roll principle or the reversing principle the surface flow should be fixed as suggested. until you have time to look over the plan it will be hard to determine the best design, depending on your response.

The only other thing that I will offer is to get the best blast for the buck and the best flow available all outlets and drains should enhance each other,additionally, the main object other than removing crap from the tank is to move as much water as possible without internal interference, don't fire outlets into rocks or walls, fire them into voids so that the whole volume of the tank is pulled into the action.

This will be the goal.

Paul

[Delphinus]

Paul, I'm curious why you suggest specifically a Beananimal overflow and not, say, a Herbie or other?

[golf nut]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

Paul, I'm curious why you suggest specifically a Beananimal overflow and not, say, a Herbie or other?

Bean was officially warned by his wife "one more flood and I am out of here" she said.
Bill then took what he had to work with and designed a system to ensure that his loving wife remained that way, Herbie I believe stumbled on the noise issue solution and then perfected it. both will work, one just has another level of "Murphy's Law" protection.

Either system is designed to make things quiet from day one, Dursos and Stockmans are another method to reduce noise for systems that were designed incorrectly in the first place.

Most times when you see people posting about issues it is always after the fact, they built something incorrectly and are now trying to fix it. I can think of many ways to have a silent system, why make things overly complicated though, when I read that a system is being planned and dursos are part of the initial design I shake my head, why build a parachute into the back of your car, just build the brakes correctly in the first place.


Which reminds me I have a parachute for sale, used once, never opened, small stain SOLD

[Delphinus]

Agree 100% on Stockman's and Durso's ... was just curious about the Beananimal recommendation since it was rather specific. Thanks for the explanation.

[Dez]

Again Paul, you made me laugh. I'd like to purchase your parachute.

[lastlight]

Haha. No more clowning about guys! I'll send Kien over with his leash.

Paul I'm taking what you said and doing a new model to see if I read you right. If you're standing in front of the tank the overflow is on the LEFT not the right so I think I just need to reverse what you said. Gimme 10 min lol.

I'm using a Herbie btw. This will be my third.

And for the tank's size...would you think a Reeflo Hammerhead would work well for this CL?

[Dez]

Hey Brett, I emailed you a closed loop sketch from Paul.

[lastlight]

Originally Posted by Dez

Hey Brett, I emailed you a closed loop sketch from Paul.

Thanks!

[lastlight]

Ok if I understand correctly this will work.

Green is my returns, yellow my intakes, red my outputs.

Should the returns be 1.5" and the drains 2"?

[golf nut]

Originally Posted by lastlight

Ok if I understand correctly this will work.

Green is my returns, yellow my intakes, red my outputs.

Should the returns be 1.5" and the drains 2"?

The principle is correct, you may well need more outlets in the bottom due to the length and size of the tank, depending on your personal preference, outlets could be 1 1/2 or 1" .

Drain bulkheads would be 1 1/2, there is no head loss to pumps in closed loops, the head from the tank will feed more than the pump needs, you can use 2" but isn't etched in stone.

It's now 2:15am here and I need to be up in a few hours, 15 more minutes of Top Gear on BBC and I am off to bed, catch you all in the morning.