PENDING SPS shipment for all you hard core collectors..

[marie]

Originally Posted by ElGuappo

well i have been following the last few threads out of curiosity more than anything and of all the posts this one caught my eye more than any other... from a consumers point of view...

this seems like a pretty shady buisiness tactic... ya its great if you find someone willing to pay this mark up on a coral.... so you are taking corals that "LOOK" like the high end, high demand corals and give them their name and up the price regardless of what your actual cost is on these pieces !?!?

in all honesty i was considering an order until i read this post....
good luck with the gouging........
when one of my favy lfs's get a deal on coral so do i!!!!!!!!!!

ElGuappo, Paul's being sarcastic because he's getting tired of being accused....If you don't like the price then don't buy the corals..... It's only worth what someone will pay for it

[ElGuappo]

Originally Posted by marie

ElGuappo, Paul's being sarcastic because he's getting tired of being accused....If you don't like the price then don't buy the corals..... It's only worth what someone will pay for it

thats the thing about witten text you can never tell the context..... oops..

this still isnt something a vendor should be saying..just my opinion..

[Gooly001]

Good Morning,

Yes it is definitely is not something that a LFS should be saying and certainly not practicing. I apologize if my sarcasm was not conveyed through the post, however; if you were in my position you would be frustrated as well.

My point of the sarcastic remark was to make light of the fact that I have scoured the 4 corners of the world searching for ORA/Tyree look a like corals because they are so common, that's why ORA and Tyree have been known for; putting their names on commonly found corals (pls. read sarcasm here) and charging unsuspecting consumers premium money for them.

This I assure you is not the case. These corals are priced for a reason and the reason is that they are indeed rare to find in the wild originally and that's why they are expensive. Of all the millions of corals that are exported to North America, only a few are found to be worthy to culture by ORA or Tyree. Again, hence the price.

This person has no interest in buying from me because I assure you, he or she thinks that my prices are too high and if I was to relinquish my sources he/she can get their favorite LFS to bring it in and sell to them cheaper.

Or, he/she would also like to bring the same corals in themselves and sell it.

As a business man, it would be unwise for me to even entertain this and the only way that they feel that they can get what they want is by constantly accusing me of illegal importation because to their knowledge it is impossible.

So, I am constantly being put on the cross to defend myself. The only way to rid me of this is to come out and explain in text point to point on how it's done. And like I've expressed numerous times; it is not in my best interest to do so.

For example, I've always wanted to know how Cadbury puts their caramilk in their caramilk bar but after numerous emails and requests to find out; they still haven't told me how it's done. (pls read sarcasm here). And I'm sure Hershey thinks that this is unfair not to share their caramilk secret. Bad bad Cadbury...shady business.

To say that this person wants me to share my information with other LFS so that we all have a level playing field is pretty ridiculous in my eyes.

If your LFS feels that this is profitable enough for them, then maybe they should pursue and do the proper research on how to import/export. Until then, please do not accuse me of doing something that I've taken the time and efforts to research how to do.

Thanks and have a great day.

Paul

Originally Posted by ElGuappo

thats the thing about witten text you can never tell the context..... oops..

this still isnt something a vendor should be saying..just my opinion..

[Delphinus]

This is unreal. If I accused my neighbour of illegal activity on the basis that he drives a nicer car that I can afford myself, that would a sentiment based on pettiness and jealousy and to publicly accuse someone of such without any proof in hand is libel and the irony there is that THAT is illegal and can have consequences.

Having some knowledge of CITES process and not able to discern the activities of what another person may be doing is a huge stretch to claim illegal activity. HUGE stretch.

The LFS industry is all about guarded secrets regarding suppliers. Go into any LFS and ask them where they import their fish from. Beyond maybe in ambiguous or vague terms or maybe a geographic area, they won't tell you. Certainly not things like the names and contact info of specific suppliers. Maybe some will, but that's an individual choice on their part what to disclose. It's a fact of life in this industry.

To me this is no different. The choice is clear: buy them or don't buy them. And leave it at that. It's that simple.

[Sebae again]

Reefermadness, even though the famous Reefer Madness coral business went out of business in 2009 long after it's inception, how did you come about the name for your own use if you chose to use it years later as your name on Canreef ? Are you related to them through some sort of lineage or affiliated with them in their venture or did you use their name without permission ? Do we all not have a costitutional right to know?

[Gooly001]

The plot thickens.

[reefermadness]

Originally Posted by Sebae again

Reefermadness, even though the famous Reefer Madness coral business went out of business in 2009 long after it's inception, how did you come about the name for your own use if you chose to use it years later as your name on Canreef ? Are you related to them through some sort of lineage or affiliated with them in their venture or did you use their name without permission ? Do we all not have a costitutional right to know?

Umm..sure. I liked the name. Is there a problem with that?

I already stated...I have no finanical gain from any of this...I am and always have been a simple aquarist with no business affiliation.

Also I already stated my motive for posting....simply just to find the truth and I think all reef stores should be playing by the same rules.

PLOT THINNED.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

I think all reef stores should be playing by the same rules.

I think that's crap! If someone has some method to gain a competitive advantage, all the power to them. It creates competition and diversity in the market, rather than every store carrying all the same stuff, all at the same price, etc...boring.

Whatever Paul figured out here, good on him. It gives us access to corals previously not available, and his name has been cleared by DFO. Good enough for me. As I said, if it's not good enough for you, shop elsewhere, that's the point of a diverse market. You don't have to deal with Paul at all.

[Oceanic]

+1 with this.... Enough of the comments here put together from Reefermadness could fairly easily at this point be looked at as Libel and fairly easily challenged in court... I think some advice to tread lightly should be observed......

Just saying.

Originally Posted by Delphinus

This is unreal. If I accused my neighbour of illegal activity on the basis that he drives a nicer car that I can afford myself, that would a sentiment based on pettiness and jealousy and to publicly accuse someone of such without any proof in hand is libel and the irony there is that THAT is illegal and can have consequences.

Having some knowledge of CITES process and not able to discern the activities of what another person may be doing is a huge stretch to claim illegal activity. HUGE stretch.

The LFS industry is all about guarded secrets regarding suppliers. Go into any LFS and ask them where they import their fish from. Beyond maybe in ambiguous or vague terms or maybe a geographic area, they won't tell you. Certainly not things like the names and contact info of specific suppliers. Maybe some will, but that's an individual choice on their part what to disclose. It's a fact of life in this industry.

To me this is no different. The choice is clear: buy them or don't buy them. And leave it at that. It's that simple.

[reefermadness]

Originally Posted by Oceanic

+1 with this.... Enough of the comments here put together from Reefermadness could fairly easily at this point be looked at as Libel and fairly easily challenged in court... I think some advice to tread lightly should be observed......

Just saying.

I asked questions.....never did I say that I know you did something illegal (because I don't know and inocent till proven guilty). Libel...give me a break.