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Old 10-28-2010, 01:56 PM
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It does depend on the stand construction, but also on the floor.
I am assuming that this is an older home with maybe douglas fir floor joists, a 3/4" subfloor and 3/4" hardwood flooring material.
Is the hump from the subfloor and floor finish material? Or is the hump from a crown in the floor joist? Is the hump stable? Does it creak if you stand or jump on it? If the hump isn't stable, anything you pour on it now will surely crack once weight is put on it.
If the hump is from the hardwood flooring and subfloor only, the tank setup may level itself.
If the hump is from a floor joist, then even 2500 lbs won't straighten that out and you will need to shim.
If the stand is built with bottom plates on edge, then you could be fine with relying on 3 points of support - the hump plus shimming on each end.
If the the stand is built with bottom plates on flat, then shimming in numerous places under the stand would be recommended.

Lots of "if's". Pics of the stand, floor area from above and below would help. Hopefully you can see the underside of the floor from the basement.

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Older home, no idea what type of construction (finished basement with tenant). Hump is pretty solid, assuming due to settling and such. Hump is simply part of a wave that spans the room, but solid, no squeaks or movement. Stand is 2x4 construction, bottom plates on edge, although bottom skinned with 1/2" ply. I have a wall below the tank with a framed closet, so pretty sure joists won't sag under weight.
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Old 10-28-2010, 02:26 PM
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Finished floor...wood, tile, lino..?

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Old 10-28-2010, 03:12 PM
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Laminate over basic foam underlay.
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My stnad is basically designed after this

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1169964

although I used 2x4 on top, with one centered brace in rear and two at 3rds in front. Plywood bottom and a false 6" back added to hide plumbing.
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Sounds like the best way would be to add 1/2 plates to each end of the stand to clear the hump, then shim the hump area.
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Sounds like the best way would be to add 1/2 plates to each end of the stand to clear the hump, then shim the hump area.
Kinda like legs on the corners?
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Laminate floors on foam are meant to "float" to allow for expansion and contraction. If you weigh down the laminate floor permanently with an aquarium, you could notice buckling in other areas of the room.
I would cut out the laminate and then either level with shims (plastic or wood) or go ahead with a self levelling cement.

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Old 10-28-2010, 04:55 PM
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hmm.. maybe I should take a road tripto Victoria to give you a hand. do it like we did your other one. wooden shims, but not just at the corner. we did the other tank in more places than that.

you want the bottom to be suported all along so ever 2 or 3" put a shim. if there realy is that much of a hump then you can do as sugested as put 1/2" plywood strips under the places that it will fit then shim that if needed.

the other way, which is the way I would do it, is to build a "bottom" to the frame which you build directly on the floor and make dead level then mount the frame to it.

but this involves being able to rip 2X4s on an angle, so might not be the simplest way for ya, and would raise your stand up at least another inch or two.

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Laminate floors on foam are meant to "float" to allow for expansion and contraction. If you weigh down the laminate floor permanently with an aquarium, you could notice buckling in other areas of the room.

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The stand only covers about 2 lengths, a few rows deep, and the other outer edges have lots of float room. I'm not sure that's a big concern??
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Personally, if it isn't off that much, I wouldn't worry, but otherwise I think wooden shims would work. Only problem is that maybe they can deteriate over time from weight, water, etc.

My tank is off just a bit, but I never adjusted. It was perfectly level when put in place, but after time with water it is off a bit, just slightly. If you look hard you can see it. I use a level quite often to keep tabs on it, as it is on a second floor of my home, and it has never moved. Using the level, the stand is level, if I put the level on the light it is level, but if I put it on the tank it is off a few millimetres. Oh well, I am not worried.
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