Snails very unhappy

Youngster Dan · #1 08-12-2010, 07:29 PM

Hi scuba, here is an interesting read on snails. I don't have an answer for you, though I supose this article may be more helpful than two people bickering back and forth ruining your thread.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rs/index.php

Good luck. Oh and +1 on acclimatizing for a while, I figure it definitely doesn't hurt (especially with regards to snails) and it is really easy to do.

PoonTang · #2 08-12-2010, 07:46 PM

Any chance the new tank was contaminated with copper or something?

ScubaSteve · #3 08-12-2010, 07:58 PM

Let's play nice kids!

Thanks for the article Dan. Definitely an interesting read. According to the article, even a 4 hour acclimation isn't enough! Crazy!

Copper... now that is something I have been thinking about as well. The tank I am using is a used tank. To the best of my knowledge, it was only ever used for saltwater; but then again... you never know what happened in it before I got it. Before I used it I cleaned the $%^ out of it as I was concerned about what might be left behind. How effective cleaning is against copper? Probably not very good. I've been debating this poly-filter stuff that is supposed to be great at removing copper if there is any.

After the move a few of my acro colonies took a big hit and there was some tissue necrosis. One of my frags I think is going to be toast pretty soon but the colonies I think are recovering (jury is still out on the bird's nest... not sure what's happening there). While I was super careful with the move, I had come to grips with the fact that somethings might not survive and I kind of passed the tissue necrosis off as part of this. But I am wondering if there is copper or something similar in my system that is the root of all this wackiness? Hmmmm....

gobytron · #4 08-12-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Youngster Dan

Hi scuba, here is an interesting read on snails. I don't have an answer for you, though I supose this article may be more helpful than two people bickering back and forth ruining your thread.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rs/index.php

Good luck. Oh and +1 on acclimatizing for a while, I figure it definitely doesn't hurt (especially with regards to snails) and it is really easy to do.

technically 3 people now.
lol.

just finished reading that article and it certainly stresses the importance of a 5 to 10 hour drip acclimation but I still reiterate that I haven't lost more than one or two from a fast or no drip at all.

I couldn't find anything in there that would help you come to any kind of conclusion as to what issue has befallen your snails though...

which part were you specifically referencing youngster dan...I must have missed it.?

Youngster Dan · #5 08-12-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gobytron

which part were you specifically referencing youngster dan...I must have missed it.?

I was referencing that it was an interesting read

You mention that you had a small diatom outbreak, could it be possible that it may be dinoflagellates instead? I know dino's can be toxic to snails, at any rate just throwing an idea out there.

ScubaSteve · #6 08-12-2010, 10:15 PM

I'm pretty sure it's diatoms. I've had dino's in the past and what I have doesn't look like that (and the snails didn't this response to it either). It's got that golden brown dust look as oppoed to the brown snotty look of the dino's and it doesn't have the associated air bubbles. And it's really only on the sand, so I thinkit's just diatoms using up the silicates in the new subtrate. And my conch is eating it and is the only gastro who is super healthy in the tank at the moment.

daniella3d · #7 08-15-2010, 04:15 AM

5 to 10 hours dip for snails? wow..I never acclimate them pass the temperature and then drop them in the aquarium. never lost a single one. Quite the opposite, they are multiplying like crazy.

I would think some chimical in the water, maybe from some coral or some copper. where is the water coming from?

Try putting fresh carbon in and see if that help.

Someone I know had an anemone got cought in a pump and released all sort of chimical warfare in the water and all her snails and fishes died except a clown fish and the shrimps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobytron

technically 3 people now.
lol.

just finished reading that article and it certainly stresses the importance of a 5 to 10 hour drip acclimation but I still reiterate that I haven't lost more than one or two from a fast or no drip at all.

I couldn't find anything in there that would help you come to any kind of conclusion as to what issue has befallen your snails though...

which part were you specifically referencing youngster dan...I must have missed it.?

Mandosh · #8 08-12-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gobytron

and take that hat off of your poor tang.

he looks ridiculous.

Hahahaha.

What are your nitrate levels?

gobytron · #9 08-12-2010, 07:59 PM

and what is your average temperature?

margerita snails are kind of a lfs scam as they are super sensitive to heat...
astraea are somewhat the same though more tolerant.

the rest of your snails would have to have a pretty high temp for it to be the issue though....

it would seem logical that if the issue were copper, you would have had this problem from the get go and not just after a move....

ScubaSteve · #10 08-12-2010, 08:13 PM

Nitrates: 0ppm (just tested)
Temp range: 78 to 80F, but is pretty much constant at 79F

My cerith, top and trochus are the ones having the greatest issues. Margarita's are kind as they always are: stupid and getting stuck upsided down.

All of this started after I moved and went into a larger (40G) tank. When I had all of this in a 20G with a high bio-load and no skimmer, it was EXTREMELY stable and had zero issues. I go to a newer, bigger tank (which in theory is supposed to be more stable) and BAM! all this crap starts happening. It's weird man...