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08-12-2010, 05:19 PM
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Trust me, I am anal when it comes to acclimation, even snails. The new ones I did over the course of maybe 4 hours or so on a drip. When I moved the older snails with the tank, they were in in maybe 2 to 3 hours but they were all fine until recently. I don't have an algae problem (aside from the recent diatoms) but I have been ltting the glass get dirty over the past 2 months so that they do have something to eat while waiting for other algae to start up again. On top of all that, I keep small algae "fields" (hair, turf, unknown red calcareous, etc.) for my urchin and crabs to graze on. I keep it contained to one area of my rocks by there is enough there to eat.
That being said I have been worried about starvation and I have some Nori in there for them to nibble on nut they won't go for it. I don't use frag putty but I do use super glue gel to attach frags to rocks (same kind I have used for years). I recently did a re-scaping and used the gel to secure some pieces in place, though I didn't really use it in abundance. Could this be part of it? The snails seem weak and unable to hold on long enought to eat. It seems more like a virus, parameter, contaminant or starvation issue to me. 
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08-12-2010, 05:34 PM
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haha...lol
Ive been reefing for way too long to be anal about acclimating anymore...lol pretty much have a 50$ rule where if it's over, it's properly acclimated but if it's under, it's usally a fast drip at the most. The case I am thinking off where the snails couldnt gaint traction anymore due to glue bein overused was in a 12 gallon aquapod... the symptoms were very similar to what you reported but he was using the putty and not the gel and his tank was much smaller so a higher concentration of the putty.
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08-12-2010, 05:59 PM
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I have a rule too! Whether it is a 50 cent snail or $50.00 fish I strive to do everything to give the invert, or fish the best chance of survival in my tank. They arrive at the LFS in weakened condition after their long journey here. Therefor, the care we take in putting them in our tanks is important. Scuba, it is great to hear about the care you take in acclimatization. That rules it out as a problem. I would take a water sample to the LFS and have them do a ammonia test and also double check the salinity. Sometime our test kits and salinity meters are off. Last edited by naesco; 08-12-2010 at 06:30 PM.
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08-12-2010, 06:33 PM
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Plus, you could argue that after all the stress of transport and over crowding conditions at LFS' that the best thing for any organism is to get into their new, stable and ideal environment as quickly as possible. The other side of the coin is that if you are confident in your systems ideal parameters, you shouldn't see much difference from your tank to that of the lfs. maybe I can say this because my regular lfs are OA and JL and they are exemplary. and take that hat off of your poor tang. he looks ridiculous.
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08-12-2010, 07:29 PM
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Hi scuba, here is an interesting read on snails. I don't have an answer for you, though I supose this article may be more helpful than two people bickering back and forth ruining your thread.
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rs/index.php Good luck. Oh and +1 on acclimatizing for a while, I figure it definitely doesn't hurt (especially with regards to snails) and it is really easy to do.
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08-12-2010, 07:58 PM
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Let's play nice kids!
Thanks for the article Dan. Definitely an interesting read. According to the article, even a 4 hour acclimation isn't enough! Crazy! Copper... now that is something I have been thinking about as well. The tank I am using is a used tank. To the best of my knowledge, it was only ever used for saltwater; but then again... you never know what happened in it before I got it. Before I used it I cleaned the $%^ out of it as I was concerned about what might be left behind. How effective cleaning is against copper? Probably not very good. I've been debating this poly-filter stuff that is supposed to be great at removing copper if there is any. After the move a few of my acro colonies took a big hit and there was some tissue necrosis. One of my frags I think is going to be toast pretty soon but the colonies I think are recovering (jury is still out on the bird's nest... not sure what's happening there). While I was super careful with the move, I had come to grips with the fact that somethings might not survive and I kind of passed the tissue necrosis off as part of this. But I am wondering if there is copper or something similar in my system that is the root of all this wackiness? Hmmmm....
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08-12-2010, 07:48 PM
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lol. just finished reading that article and it certainly stresses the importance of a 5 to 10 hour drip acclimation but I still reiterate that I haven't lost more than one or two from a fast or no drip at all. I couldn't find anything in there that would help you come to any kind of conclusion as to what issue has befallen your snails though... which part were you specifically referencing youngster dan...I must have missed it.? Last edited by gobytron; 08-12-2010 at 07:54 PM.
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08-12-2010, 10:08 PM
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 You mention that you had a small diatom outbreak, could it be possible that it may be dinoflagellates instead? I know dino's can be toxic to snails, at any rate just throwing an idea out there.
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08-15-2010, 04:15 AM
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5 to 10 hours dip for snails? wow..I never acclimate them pass the temperature and then drop them in the aquarium. never lost a single one. Quite the opposite, they are multiplying like crazy.
I would think some chimical in the water, maybe from some coral or some copper. where is the water coming from? Try putting fresh carbon in and see if that help. Someone I know had an anemone got cought in a pump and released all sort of chimical warfare in the water and all her snails and fishes died except a clown fish and the shrimps. Quote:
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