this guy beats Al Gore hands down !

[Zoaelite]

Can we make this into a Smilie?

[Doug]

I knew that one was someplace. The smilie one was all I could find in a hurry.

[randallino]

And when the Sun becomes a red giant then all the nay sayers are going to believe in global warming. (Doubt it)

"Truthfully the only thing i found really cool about this is that other planets
are experiancing global warming as well."
even if it is part our fault that ours is working at a much higher rate it still shows its not all our fault right?"

Some planets are cooling example Mars, Venus on the other hand, became super heated because of cloud cover.

It has to do with how fast the temperatures are changing over a given period of time.

[StirCrazy]

this is a funny post as I was actualy listining to a news program ont he radio the other day with a couple of Canada's formost experts on climat change. what was interesting is that the only experts crying that we are causing climat change is the ones that are sponcered by goverments and it was aluded to that they were doing it to get more funding grants.

the main guy on the show (can't remember his name) makes his mark by verifying or disproving results, and is highly regarded and his organization has started to rate creditability of different climat scientests. he has found a lot of the people touting climat change and when have to act now are fudging data to suport there claims and when he started to review the ones that say it is a natural cycle he found there research was solid (this is on average on both sides) so he has started looking harder into it and has found there is more evidence to disprove man made climat change than he ever expected. as a result of his research there have been some changes in attitude by the G30 and other world organizations.

Steve

[reefermadness]

Yes and many of the scientist and think-tanks trying to disprove climate change are funded indirectly by oil companies. And although I dont like to say it, when it comes to issues of societal safety I would trust the government over a corporation.

Climate change is still a hypothesis. You will find people to argue both sides.

Personally I feel the argument that man is causing or contributing to global warming is too big to ignore. Even if they are wrong.....it's called risk management.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

Yes and many of the scientist and think-tanks trying to disprove climate change are funded indirectly by oil companies. And although I dont like to say it, when it comes to issues of societal safety I would trust the government over a corporation.

Climate change is still a hypothesis. You will find people to argue both sides.

Personally I feel the argument that man is causing or contributing to global warming is too big to ignore. Even if they are wrong.....it's called risk management.

actualy this guy is funded by a university in ontario, and his comitment is to stay impartial and he won't take any extra funding from either side, he was quite adament on that. I simpily cannot believe that when we have some of the formost climate research being done by a canadian which is changing the way we think on some things that people cannot accept it. or for that matter even concider it.

here are a few things to thing about.. I was watching the tv, a show on huge vocano eruptions and there effect through out history. (yes I watch a lot of nature/history/ect programming.)

anyways Anak Krakatau erupted in 1883, it erupted more than 18 cubic km of ash to a height of 80 km, and produced a tsunami as high as 30 m. the side effect of this was to raise CO2 in the atmosphere to about 5X the present levels which they found through sampling ice in the artic from that time period. so the question remains if we are producing CO2 and it is destroying out climat, where did all that CO2 go from the eruption?

Now befor people get up in arms, yes I believe in climat change, after all 0.7 degrees celcius rize over the last 20 years is something. but I also believe that it is part of a natural cycle. are we helping.. not nessaraly, I don't believe we are causing it but we may be helping it if you know what I mean. I am for reduction and such as long as it doesnt finatualy hurt me.

now another thing to concider.. remember the big hole in the ozone. a lot of good things came out of that scare. different trypes of refrigeration, acelerated technology to make and be able to use thoes new products. but when all was said and done it was a natural cycle and when it should have been increasing at its highest rate it was closing.

there is to much people don't know about how the world works, with thousand of volcanoes that make Krakatau look like a party favor in terms of effect on our planet and the subsequent fact that we are still here must hold some weight.

Steve

[reefermadness]

There is so much people don't know....exactly. So how can you believe that global warming is not man made? The thing here is that scientists are spending their whole lives studying these issues such as global warming and they do not have a clear answer for us......so how can I have a clear answer as to whether it is man made or not. It's like asking if God exits. A whole lot of people change there lives because they have FAITH that God exits. So here we are with scientists in both camps telling us different things.....were does that leave us. As far as I'm concerned (and anyone else should be), there is a probable chance that climate change is man made. Any chance that we are going to commit catastrophic events in the future should be avoided don't you think? Or should we just roll the dice and jump in our gas guzzlin SUV?

Besides I think we should be treating our planet better all around....even if climate change wasnt an issue.

Is the GULF still spewing out oil?

[Slick Fork]

Steve: You can argue climate change until the cows come home. Neither side has produced concrete evidence that we are either causing it completely or not influencing it at all. I rather suspect that it is somewhere in the middle.

The trouble I have with those denying human influenced/created climate change is that they tend to use their doubt as an excuse to maintaining the status quo.

Lets take our reliance on fossil fuels as an example, I know people who let their cars idle for hours at a time in the winter, drive a block to check the mail, etc. When I rib them about it they just say things like "global warming hasn't been proven and as an Albertan it's my right to idle my car all day if I like so to hell with the hippies"

But... whether you believe in global warming or not, peak oil or not, there are a million other benefits to reducing our reliance on fossil fuels. Anybody who has seen the summer "smog" engulfing a North American city will see the benefit to reducing the number of cars on the road. Is that smog contributing to Global warming? Probably, but even if it isn't wouldn't it be nice to get rid of it?

Less cars on the road would also go a long way to solving the "obesity crisis" that all the healthcare providers are so worried about. Think of how much weight the fatties would lose if they walked two blocks to McDonalds instead of driving there everyday.

There are so many other benefits to investing now in alternative energy and the risks of not doing so are so high that it floors me that we aren't doing more. Unfortunately, I think North Americans are too lazy and too spoiled to change. I think we need to see gasoline get to a price point high enough that people re-think their lifestyle. Same with heating fuel and fossil fuel powered electricity, until then we're stuck just watching it happen.

[Zoaelite]

Very well written Slick, as a race we need to address our foot print but because we have all been raised on a certain standard no one wants to step up and change. Even if global warming is "fake" as a society we have caused far to much damage to the earth at this point to ignore it.

If we lived in a world that valued honor and intelligence over money this would not be a problem, I hate bashing Capitalism but the over pursuit of fiscal wealth is a plague on this planet. A great example of this is the BP oil spill, as a race we have invested copious levels of money and infrastructure into the collection of petroleum products but very little into safe guards to protect from disasters. Why? Because there is no profit in cleaning up a spill, the only time it becomes profitable is when people start loosing money (such as Florida tourism). At this point people finally realize that maybe we should have safe guards in place but by then it's to late and our ecosystems are damaged beyond repair.

The current technology employed to skim oil from water will not work in applications that include areas with ice. This could spell very bad news for northern drilling and ecosystems but VERY little advancement in the technology is happening because there is only money to be made when a real problem occurs. Even if global warming isn't real we still need to loosen the grip that fossil fuels have on us, as Slick stated the benefits outweigh the downfalls greatly.
Levi