HELP....Ginger has lots and lots of new puppies

[lockrookie]

i have this overwelming urge to watch free willy...

my parents got a dog through the ckc .. purebred american cocker.. got cateracts (however its spelt) in a year and cancer 2 years later.

no matter how the breeding my only concern, for any pet /animal is a good loving home. when i was a kid we got an english cocker who refused to die he was a superdog lived 14 years.

i do agree some ppl should not try to breed period animal or otherwise. lol

i think ,and im guilty of this as well, ppl have misread or taken too quick to judge, and have gotten a little heated of this poor guy and his puppies. i personally feel bad for my two dogs. the lab is two nuts short of manhood and the only thing he has ever humped was another male dog.. and our female shepard collie cross.. i think the snipped her brains by accident.. but i love them both all the same.

in the end we all should sniff eachothers butts and make up hehehe

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by lockrookie

no matter how the breeding my only concern, for any pet /animal is a good loving home.

Yes, but often the loving home turns unloving, when huge vet bills come in, and the dog has seizures every other day, and poops all over everything. Then it's often discarded. Not always, but often. Proper breeding, with top priority given to health and temperment (which to evaluate properly takes considerable time and money) will help to ensure that the dog gets to enjoy a happy healthy life, and makes an enjoyable experience for both dog and humans. Without the enjoyment on both sides, these things often end badly (for the dog).

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

Little general with your thoughts on pet stores I think. And that sample size of your parents is conclusive evidence. I think when you consider they number of Boston puppies born each year finding 70 go to rescue is not exactly a large number not than any number is good. I have heard of many people's stories over the years about health issues with so called registered professional breeders. I don't however jump to the conclusion that all are bad!!

To clarify, 70 dogs to one rescue org. There are a lot more just for that breed.
And in no way am I saying a "professional breeder" is better, many of these are the worst. They have a flashy website, lots of puppy pics, etc, but are generally a profit based business. Perhaps a better description should be "authentic breeder"? I dunno, but I'm pretty sure you can figure out what I mean. Esentially, a breeder who does it for the love of the breed, with the intent and purpose of breeding clearly defined as to promote a healthy representative for their breed. This creates a puppy with the best chances for a long healthy life. Does it stop all the problems? No way. But every little bit helps, no?

[lockrookie]

trust me i know what your saying i do probono work for the humain society here.. i help them break in to homes to rescue animals. i dont charge them for the service. i just do it cause it something i can do for the animals.

ah well i was just trying to lighten the mood im off again.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by lockrookie

trust me i know what your saying i do probono work for the humain society here.. i help them break in to homes to rescue animals. i dont charge them for the service. i just do it cause it something i can do for the animals.

ah well i was just trying to lighten the mood im off again.

where can I get a job like that??

I hope the mood isn't too dark, I'm trying hard to keep it civil and informative

[lockrookie]

im an owner operator slave of a locksmith company in regina. and when i bought the business i approached the humain society to offer my services to thier warrants. they were getting charged 85 bucks and up to open homes to rescue pets. who pays for that ?? noone just the donations to the humain society. so i do it for free. my good deeds done dirt cheep its all done legally. and i get to help save lives.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by lockrookie

im an owner operator slave of a locksmith company in regina. and when i bought the business i approached the humain society to offer my services to thier warrants. they were getting charged 85 bucks and up to open homes to rescue pets. who pays for that ?? noone just the donations to the humain society. so i do it for free. my good deeds done dirt cheep its all done legally. and i get to help save lives.

good on ya!

[howdy20012002]

LOL..this truly has turned into a circus side show.
thank god a moderator is involved or this thread would have been locked a long time ago.
All kidding aside...I can at least respect your determinism in your cause, regardless of my own point of view.
so, what happens when everyone only buys from "reconginized breeders" and/or adopt from rescue places.
What happens when all the rescue dogs are adopted. I mean there are lots of dogs waiting to be adopted, but in comparison to the millions of dogs every year that are purchased, the supply would very very quickly be drained.

not everyone wants to wait for 2 years to get a dog or pay a very large amount of money from what you are calling true breeders.

so does mean that people don't get to have a dog?

most of the dogs that people have come from people like me...not recoginized breeders...
why...because the breeders can't handle the demand..aka - the 2 year waiting list.

To be straight forward..Yes i bred Ginger for the money and because I enjoy her having puppies and I have a few people who have actually requested a puppy.

If your true breeders don't do it for the money why aren't they giving their puppies away???
lets be honest, unless it was a mistake, ultimately everyone breeds for money..or in some cases the prestige i guess they feel they get from the dog shows.
Which off course, if they do well at, the puppies they sell will be worth all the more.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by howdy20012002

If your true breeders don't do it for the money why aren't they giving their puppies away???
lets be honest, unless it was a mistake, ultimately everyone breeds for money..or in some cases the prestige i guess they feel they get from the dog shows.
Which off course, if they do well at, the puppies they sell will be worth all the more.

a lot of them do, it they have a puppy that they determin is extreamly hopfull they will make an arangment for a shared ownership which cost you nothing but they have the right to breed the dog at a later date.

a lot of them is prestege.. I was thinking of showing my dog just for bragging rights till I found out ho much it costs.. yes the top kennels are doing it for both the money and prestege, but realy there isn't much money. I worked it out after vet costs, food, time spent stud fees and such my breeder actualy lost money as there were only two pups in the litter. to break even he needed 5. why does he do it.. he loves goldens, he has some good dogs and likes the prestege of it all. as for my self when I looked into the price of showing I choked.. you will spend about 1000 / month for 2 or 3 shows and most likely won't win anything, if you get a profesional handler you have a way better chance of winning but they can double the price. if you want to go all the way and try for westminster, you pretty much need to campain your dog and people spend upwords of 100000.00 to do that. so not a poormans game.

and after thinking about it what point is there unless I am going to breed my doggie which I am not as there is to much liability on the stud dog in a regestered breeding.

I am not against breeding dogs, while I wouldn't buy a BYB dog as I would rather rescue a mutt than buy one, I am ok with it as long as the breeder is being responcible, providing the best care available, and is honest about it.

Steve

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

I also find it quite amusing that people point to pet store selling puppies as the major cause of shelters being crowded yet you refer to fluffy down the street being bred. I visit shelters and the SPCA very regularly and very rarely do I see many small breed dogs in their windowns yet when I visit pet stores I find only small breed dogs in their windows????

My friend volenteers with the SPCA, unles you go every day you wont see the little dogs, there are 7X more little dogs going through the one here than big dogs but they go very fast as city people want little dogs that will be happy in small yards or houses.

same thing goes for pet stores.. the average person buys small cute dogs, so while GSD, Golden, lab ect puppys are extreamly cute they get big real fast and they become unsellable, so they tend to stick with smaller dogs that will stay cute longer.

Steve