Brodeur/Kipper/Luongo Revisited

[GreenSpottedPuffer]

I don't think any real knowledgeable Canuck fans are going to try to argue your points because they will look at it this way...Luongo has not had a great season by his standards (until recently), meaning Kiprusoff isn't necessarily getting better but more likely Luongo slipped a little back to Kiprusoff's level. I would have to check last years numbers but I'm not really interested.

Based on your statement that Kipper has pulled his numbers up, you have checked and he is better than last year? Make sure you check the past 4 years or so though because I don't think his GAA last year was very good. I do believe his career numbers came about 2-3 years back and he has regressed since then.

I wouldn't have posted Brodeurs numbers if you are trying to make your fav goalie look good. He's untouchable.

Speaking of team Canada though, what happened to all the Flames d-men? I was under the impression from Flames fans that they were going to make up half the defensive core...I didn't see any of them on the roster.

[Ian]

rumor has it 2 of those d-men don't like each other and team Canada didn't want the Drama.....

[pelle31]

Ahhhh I knew the Canuck fans would come out of the woodwork. I suppose you have your little green lasers as well

"but in the end he is a goalie that has yet to winn the big ones for his team" And Luongo has done this for Vancouver? I'm not sure but I don't think he has his ring does he?

[wayner]

If it wasn't for Kipper, Flames would be dead last , as far as having a really good defense core, makes me laugh, Kippers looking at 40 shots a game on most nights and stnds on his head.

[pelle31]

Originally Posted by wayner

If it wasn't for Kipper, Flames would be dead last , as far as having a really good defense core, makes me laugh, Kippers looking at 40 shots a game on most nights and stnds on his head.

Thank you!!

[Veng68]

Both good goalies........ but only history will tell who is better.

So far Kipper probably has an edge since he's been to a Stanley Cup Final and a has a Vezina.

Goalie World Magazine has Luongo as a better goalie over the last 5 years (using their rating system).

Being a Canucks fan........ it only matters to me that we get into the playoffs (that includes all Canadian Teams) and that Lu gives us a chance at the Cup. He's only been through to the second round twice but he's only been in the playoffs twice.

So we shall see at the end of this season who is the better goalie (at least for this year).

Cheers,
Vic

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by wayner

If it wasn't for Kipper, Flames would be dead last , as far as having a really good defense core, makes me laugh, Kippers looking at 40 shots a game on most nights and stnds on his head.

that makes me laugh.. using shots on net is a stupid statistic, unless you can break down where thoes shots were from by percentage.

I play goalie for a old timers league and trust me, I would love to have 50 shots from the outside of the circle over 15 from in front. the biggest job of the defence is to try push the guys to the outside where statisticly it is much easier to stop the shot, and to prevent a pass preventing one timmers or tip ins on the opposit side. like I tell my guys, if the other team wants to come in on the boards and shoot from the side. they can do that all day for all I care.

Steve

[GreenSpottedPuffer]

Anyone who has actually played the game will not be too interested in shot totals. I have never played goal but did play junior b which is not exactly the highest level of hockey but you still have to have good fundamentals to get there. One of those fundamentals you learn (back in bantam hockey probably) is to keep the shots to the outside and let the goalie see them. If we did this, our coach wouldn't care how many shots we allowed.

Shot totals are very misleading. Many good teams will allow 40 shots a game, take 20-25 and win most nights. I can remember way too many games where the canucks out shoot the other teams and loose.

You should be proud of your team but there is really no point in trying to make something out of nothing. No one is going to deny Kipper is a good goalie but trying to say he is as good as Luongo or Brodeur based on a few numbers is silly. Im not saying he is not as good, just saying your numbers don't mean anything.

The sport that really "gets" it is NFL football. You can have some very high QB numbers but if you never won the superbowl, you probably aren't getting into the hall of fame. I love hockey but just about any player who gets a 50 goal season in their career gets in There is just way more to a players greatness than a GAA or SA% that cannot be put down in numbers.

[Zoaelite]

Pffft Ryan Miller with 26 Wins, 5 SO and a SVPCT of 0.936 is where its at . Eh Pelle how are those clams doing for ya?