Boiling carbon?

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by Myka

You were been doltish to me. You could have chosen to use some tact in your reply no matter how stupid you think my post was.

Seeing as you're obviously much more brilliant than I, please do explain why (cooled) microwaved water has a different effect on plants than non-microwaved.

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It doesn't. Plain and simple. The whole concept is totally baseless and so completely stupid no scientist would waste their time even attempting to refute it. Stupid people say so many stupid things that the scientific community has to ignore them until they start to threaten people's health, well-being, etc. This urban legend is tantamount to the cell phone signal causing popcorn to pop internet urban legend/myth. Lots of stupid people passed that on like it was fact also. When the baseless claims start to be adopted en masse and they cause health concerns then the scientific community has to step in and perform the necessary research to save people from themselves (think the dangers of vaccines nonsense and the link to autism). And yet, you can't stop stupidity because they keep grasping at new straws.

Unfortunately (or perhaps I should say fortunately) I can't provide you with an RCT to disprove this damaged water stupidity because, as noted above, no self respecting scientist would even bother to test the hypothesis unless maybe their misinformed child believed this nonsense and they were so worried that their child would reiterate this nonsense in public that they'd be a total embarrassment. Then, maybe they'd perform a quasi experimental test in the home just to appease the poor child and lay the issue to rest.

Here's some information on this urban legend and an additional "experiment" that refutes the claim: http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Why is it that people can make scientifically baseless claims and statements (and then support them with pseudoscience) and expect people to pat them on the head and be nice and "tactful" while dealing with the barrage of stupidity?

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[mr.wilson]

Originally Posted by Canadian

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It doesn't. Plain and simple. The whole concept is totally baseless and so completely stupid no scientist would waste their time even attempting to refute it. Stupid people say so many stupid things that the scientific community has to ignore them until they start to threaten people's health, well-being, etc. This urban legend is tantamount to the cell phone signal causing popcorn to pop internet urban legend/myth. Lots of stupid people passed that on like it was fact also. When the baseless claims start to be adopted en masse and they cause health concerns then the scientific community has to step in and perform the necessary research to save people from themselves (think the dangers of vaccines nonsense and the link to autism). And yet, you can't stop stupidity because they keep grasping at new straws.

Unfortunately (or perhaps I should say fortunately) I can't provide you with an RCT to disprove this damaged water stupidity because, as noted above, no self respecting scientist would even bother to test the hypothesis unless maybe their misinformed child believed this nonsense and they were so worried that their child would reiterate this nonsense in public that they'd be a total embarrassment. Then, maybe they'd perform a quasi experimental test in the home just to appease the poor child and lay the issue to rest.

Here's some information on this urban legend and an additional experiment that refutes the claim: http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Why is it that people can make scientifically baseless claims and statements (and then support them with pseudoscience) and expect people to pat them on the head and be nice and "tactful" while dealing with the barrage of stupidity?

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Well I have to commend you on editing last nights comment, but I have to admit it was even funnier than the video you posted I see you got sucked into the vortex again here. The edit function has saved me more than a few times.

There really is no such thing as a stupid question or idea, only the way one purports it. One of my pet peeves in the aquarium forum world is when someone throws out a one line comment with absolutely no support then asks others to spend an hour double checking facts, and providing references and links to refute it or support their own claim. These hit and run, one-liners, usually follow up with an "I've never heard of that", or some other comment to show their continued disbelief and redoubled conviction.

A scientific mind is always willing to admit that we are wrong because we know we are. As he said in the video you posted "if science knew all the answers it would stop".... well some of the people on these forums have stopped. We just need to work around them and their counterproductive "contributions".

BTW, boiling water will cause calcium to fall out of solution (take a look at the bottom of your kettle), so it would actually be better for your plants. Nothing to do with microwaves though. This is why we never dissolve calcium hydroxide or other calcium supplements or salt mixes in hot water.

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by mr.wilson

Well I have to commend you on editing last nights comment, but I have to admit it was even funnier than the video you posted I see you got sucked into the vortex again here. The edit function has saved me more than a few times.

There really is no such thing as a stupid question or idea, only the way one purports it. One of my pet peeves in the aquarium forum world is when someone throws out a one line comment with absolutely no support then asks others to spend an hour double checking facts, and providing references and links to refute it or support their own claim. These hit and run, one-liners, usually follow up with an "I've never heard of that", or some other comment to show their continued disbelief and redoubled conviction.

A scientific mind is always willing to admit that we are wrong because we know we are. As he said in the video you posted "if science knew all the answers it would stop".... well some of the people on these forums have stopped. We just need to work around them and their counterproductive "contributions".

BTW, boiling water will cause calcium to fall out of solution (take a look at the bottom of your kettle), so it would actually be better for your plants. Nothing to do with microwaves though. This is why we never dissolve calcium hydroxide or other calcium supplements or salt mixes in hot water.

I agree. I should know better. And I stopped myself last night only to be sucked in today - too much time on my hands with a day off I suppose.

Thanks Mr. Wilson for your pragmatic response. I've enjoyed your additional presence here on Canreef as a well-informed contributor and voice of reason. Do you think we can encourage the moderators to propose a new "get in the ****** sack" policy?

[mr.wilson]

Originally Posted by Canadian

I agree. I should know better. And I stopped myself last night only to be sucked in today - too much time on my hands with a day off I suppose.

Thanks Mr. Wilson for your pragmatic response. I've enjoyed your additional presence here on Canreef as a well-informed contributor and voice of reason. Do you think we can encourage the moderators to propose a new "get in the ****** sack" policy?

maybe a yellow card, orange card then you get sacked.

[shrimpchips]

Myka, I stand by my statement - the load of crap statement might not have been tactful, but as Canadian said, I won't sit by when someone is making a more than outrageously idiotic claim as if it's the lastest article in Nature and dignify it with a less than comedic response.

Lastlight, I work in a lab that studies proteins/molecular signalling involved in allowing for capillary growth in skeletal muscle. Meth lab's only going up if science doesn't work out for me

So I'd have something more than non-sequitur to the thread, I microwaved my carbon. Beautiful!! Particulate matter floating on top, carbon the bottom. Skim off the surface layer, rinse once and clean!

[OceanicCorals-Ian-]

Originally Posted by shrimpchips

So I'd have something more than non-sequitur to the thread, I microwaved my carbon. Beautiful!! Particulate matter floating on top, carbon the bottom. Skim off the surface layer, rinse once and clean!

[Myka]

Oh sorry, Snopes is definitely the be all end all. I retract my argument.

If Shrimpchips would have stated his opinion in a more diplomatic way I wouldn't have responded. It was quite clear he was trying to be offensive.