Swine Flu/H1N1 Vaccination - Yes or No?

[Ron99]

Originally Posted by FitoPharmer

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FitoPharmer,

Please give up already. These youtube videos are not credible. What are Dr. Blaylock's credentials? He is one of these "natural remedy" folks and peddles his own vitamin mixture on his website. Run a medline search on him. He has 13 publications in the database. That is not even close to the number you would see from a real full time research scientist would likely have hundreds of publications. Also, he has only published 4 papers in the last 18 years, 3 of which were in the journal of alternative therapies which is hardly a mainstream medical or scientific journal.

Similarly, Dr. Mercola is not a real medical doctor but a doctor of osteopathic medicine. Look it up. I wouldn't let him near me with a ten foot pole. He apparently also has numerous complaints of fraud leveled against him.

http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

This is not real science. Not even close. It is two guys peddling snake oil. Listen to them at your own peril.

[Ron99]

Just to add, if you think youtube is a good source of information on any subject then I feel really sad for you. Most of this kind of stuff is complete nonsense and not credible at all. Please cite some publication by credible scientists with actual data and information. If you want to link to stuff like those videos I suggest you research them a little more carefully and find out more about the people making those statements.

If you tried these types of arguments or used evidence like this in a court of law you would lose your case badly.

[FitoPharmer]

Originally Posted by Ron99

Please cite some publication by credible scientists with actual data and information.

i have asked you to do the same thing to prove its safe and you just ignore the question.

[Ron99]

Originally Posted by FitoPharmer

i have asked you to do the same thing to prove its safe and you just ignore the question.

Actually, i think you might have asked somebody else. I have posted a bunch of scientifically accurate information that you can double check for yourself if you like. Since most seem to rather watch youtube I'll post some links

First start here with the actual monograph for the vaccine:

http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/Arepanrix_PIL_CAPA01v01.pdf


This has alot of information from human testing of this and the similar H5N1 vaccine. If you want to see actual clinical trial results of using this or a similar vaccine here it is. I would urge you to read it and then ask me to help you interpret any of the results you aren't clear on. The reader's digest summary is that there may be slightly higher incidence of mild side effects like pain at the injection site etc. But no more serious side effects then placebo which basically means that people suffering serious medical outcomes after being vaccinated were probably a result of other medical conditions and not the vaccine. For example, of the first 9,873 people receiving the H5N1 vaccine five people died of unrelated causes (cancer, heart attack etc. not due to the vaccine). None of the 9,873 people had any serious adverse side effects from the vaccine. For reference, 9800 people is on the high end for the numbers of people tested in drug clinical trials. It is a large statistically relevant group.

As for the ingredients here is an example:

Squalene:

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/to...nd_answers/en/

The MSDS doesn't tell much either then in purified form it is an irritant. You can see the LD50 in mice is 5g/Kg. So in human terms that would equate to having 50% fatality after being injected with something like 275 grams of squalene. The vaccine contains 10.69 mg which is more then 16,000 times less squalene.

http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Squalene-9925073

I don't have time to post others right now but if you look at my other posts you will see similar information for the toxicity of thimerosal. The other components of the adjuvant are vitamin E and polysorbate 80 which is a common food additive.

[pinhead]

Originally Posted by Ron99

Just to add, if you think youtube is a good source of information on any subject then I feel really sad for you. Most of this kind of stuff is complete nonsense and not credible at all. Please cite some publication by credible scientists with actual data and information. If you want to link to stuff like those videos I suggest you research them a little more carefully and find out more about the people making those statements.

If you tried these types of arguments or used evidence like this in a court of law you would lose your case badly.

Originally Posted by FitoPharmer

i have asked you to do the same thing to prove its safe and you just ignore the question.

You continue to ignore the answer. Last week you asked the same thing and I responded:

Originally Posted by pinhead

Searching H1N1 vaccine, I get 1217 journal references for h1n1 vaccine - 46 for the month of October alone. You would then have to go to a university biomedical library to read these articles as they are subscription based and very few are available for free.

You responded with:

Originally Posted by FitoPharmer

that's nice...... have you done this? so there is 3500 references for h1n1 did you read any of them?

And as a matter of fact, I have read many of the Internet acessible journal references as well the videos you have linked to. So I have looked at both sides of the argument and if you keep on responding the same way, I must assume that you have not read the scientific journals.

[leducreef]

so it looks like about 38% of you have or are geting the shot
and the rest of us are not.! wow thats got to say something right there.
i have made up my mind after seeing that , i am not going to get it !
i think in this world there is a far better chance of dying from something else, than h1n1 !

if only every one could learn to wash there hands after thay take a ****, none of this crap would be around

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by leducreef

so it looks like about 38% of you have or are geting the shot
and the rest of us are not.! wow thats got to say something right there.

The next time somebody asks me why I think representative democracy is flawed I'm just going to send them a link to this thread, draw your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by leducreef

if only every one could learn to wash there hands after thay take a ****, none of this crap would be around

Either you don't understand what the word respiratory means or we have very dissimilar anatomy.

[Murminator]

I will get my needle when my "group" comes up. Unfortunatly I fall into the ..." If you are still alive you can get it" group then the gov'nt will let me get my needle

[VFX]

Canada's doctors told to stop using swine flu vaccine

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[Mr.nintendo]

H-1-N-what?

Funny how it's calmed down so fast