miracle mud

burtonboy · #1 10-04-2009, 06:48 PM

Hi everyone! im just wondering if anyone has tried using miracle mud before and what were there thoughts on it.

Thanks Daniel

burtonboy · #2 10-05-2009, 12:13 AM

well now i found another thing called mineral mud not sure witch one to get so if anyone has tried either of them or know anything about them it will be very helpful

Thanks Daniel

soapy · #3 10-05-2009, 02:31 AM

There has been a fair amount of back and forth on this stuff on the web.

My guess is you are just as well to make a DSB with aragonite sand, I like the oolitic or sugar sized. And dose your water with iron. Iron is the key if you are growing macro-algae.

Here is a link on mud for you, if you scroll down you will see a post with lots of links to deep sand bed info:

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...send-scam.html

RuGlu6 · #4 10-05-2009, 03:07 AM

Stay away from any product that has "Miracle" on the lable.

burtonboy · #5 10-05-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by soapy

There has been a fair amount of back and forth on this stuff on the web.

My guess is you are just as well to make a DSB with aragonite sand, I like the oolitic or sugar sized. And dose your water with iron. Iron is the key if you are growing macro-algae.

Here is a link on mud for you, if you scroll down you will see a post with lots of links to deep sand bed info:

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...send-scam.html

Thanks for the info and the articles they were very helpful. So I decided on going with a DSB instead, and mixing the sugar sized sand with the size up from that.

Thanks Daniel

burtonboy · #6 10-05-2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RuGlu6

Stay away from any product that has "Miracle" on the lable.

Ya i think your right lol. Just going to go with the DSB instead.

Thanks daniel

globaldesigns · #7 10-05-2009, 05:40 AM

I was going to do the mircale mud thing in my refuge, but chose the deep sand bed, so I did 6-8 inches in the refuge with 2 different layers of different sized arragonite and this added a bit of live arragonite to the top... Over time I also now have about 50 or so lbs of live rock in there with it and can say I am glad I went that route.

Lance · #8 10-05-2009, 04:38 PM

Miracle Mud is very popular in Europe, particularly Germany. Not so much over here. Maybe they know something we don't?

BlueAbyss · #9 10-05-2009, 04:55 PM

I have read that the iron content in these products seems to get depleted in a year or two, rendering the 'mud' relatively useless. A DSB and iron dosing would seem to be a better, more permanent option (though if you're going to dose with iron, be aware that the test kits are terribly inaccurate, and you'd be best to keep a close eye on your livestock and algaes).

Oceanic · #10 10-05-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Miracle Mud is very popular in Europe, particularly Germany. Not so much over here. Maybe they know something we don't?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance

Miracle Mud is very popular in Europe, particularly Germany. Not so much over here. Maybe they know something we don't?

Miracle mud works although there is nothing that is a miracle about it. I actually use the Walt smith Fiji Gold in my refugium simply because it harbors critters that you don't see in a DSB or even a SSB. I notice that I get more pods and better macro growth with it. If I lightly stir the mud I notice huge polyp extension with the SPS in my tank in a matter of minutes.

You couldn't pay me enough to install DSB, I don't recommend ever using one as they are a ticking time bomb, I know this from personal experience and from doing lots of reading. DSB's work great for a few months or years but then become super saturated and or maxed out. If you do use one make sure you set it up as a remote DSB so you can change it out whenever you want or when you notice it isn't working anymore.

Once the bed is super saturated and or clogged it tends to release the built up nutrients back into the water column. The most success I ever had using a sand bed (currently bare bottom) was by employing a Plenum. You can research Plenums by checking out the GARF website or just doing a simple search.

One of the most successful long term reefs I have read about actually uses a revers flow under gravel filter system, the reef has been going strong for 37 years.

I simply use a bare bottom display now with a small remote mud refugium for pods, skim heavy, and use Zeovit, the tank seems very healthy.

Just my 2 cents.....