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Old 09-11-2009, 05:38 AM
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Did you use the black all plastic ones, no metal? Mine have only been in use for 3 yrs, but are not brittle yet.
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Old 09-11-2009, 05:56 AM
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how do you guys use the black ties, never heard of it before, can you guys post pics please. thanx.
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:12 AM
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Utilize the natural holes or drill your own (carefully) with a masonry bit.
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