Can't stop the losses

[H2o2]

Stray voltage?,I found mine when I had a cut on my hand and was working on the tank with bare feet .Floor wet,nice little tingle.Did you change any wall plugs on any circut and simply put the wires on the wrong side of the receptical or one of the wires is touching the wall box and it is now feeding through your ground rod? Just drawing at straws

[littlesilvermax]

Just some thoughts.

-I hate sand! I would take it out.
-maybe a test kit is off?

-do you have SPS in a frag system (not in main display) but still using same water? (My dwarf angels, at least I think it is them, are nibbling more and more on my SPS in the main display, but as soon as I put a piece in my basement sump/frag system it starts to grow.

[Jason McK]

Thanks H2o2 I've ruled out stry voltage But good thought

J

[Jason McK]

Hey Ben Thanks for chiming in.

The sand could be a problem but it's really only an inch deep. Hardly a nitrate factory. Plus I have very little Algae and very low Nitrates. but I gues it could be hiding something we do not measure.
As for test kits. I have 3 sets of Salifert and Elos. I have also taken water to OA. All readings are the same.

J

[fencer]

Interesting just some thoughts
1 Toxins leaching out for tank..not likely as he does 80 gal/wk water changes
2 Infection...maybe even with the UV on...he states that he has progressively losing corals ( most fragile to least lps's. UV could upset the bacterial balance in a zeo system??
3. Something in the water(DI/RO???) or salt..maybe
4 Zeo crash...maybe...mineral imbalance?
5. Did you check orp?
6. Nitrates in the tank...not unless he has stirred up the sand
7. Some thing is releasing toxins in the tank...algae bloom maybe. Toxins are not usually destroyed by UV and only paritlly skiimmed out.

[michika]

The first thing that popped into my head was the salt. I've read a couple recent cases on RC about people experiencing similarly described issues. I think the cases were either in the Reef Discussion section, or SPS Keepers section.

[Delphinus]

Sorry to hear J.

Personally I don't think this sort of thing really can be attribute to a deterministic number of parameters. In a sense, tanks just get old. It's not really something that we can say "oh ya, three years, old tank syndrome." But it is things like accumulations, and something pathogenic in nature that gains a toehold and that's really it until something gives (or you give, and either do a tank tear down or tank reset). Before anyone says "but he has UV and it didn't help", the problem is that a UV cannot get every single thing present in the tank. A couple months ago when Jason was looking for a UV, I even said it back then, I think it improved my own situation *some*, but: 1) it took close to six months to make a difference and 2) I still would not say I have a 100% turnaround. Some things are doing better, some things remain the same. I can't keep SPS anymore, plain and simple, it's a fact of life I've had to accept with some measure of difficulty and humility.

But, for what it's worth, I look at many new tanks with a measure of envy for what I see in them. I remember fondly the days of keeping colourful SPS, but it was years and years ago now. I truly do believe that newer tanks have an easier go of things, and older setups, due to many different and possibly uncountably complex interactions, a tank gets to a point it is not able to sustain growth that it used to, and it's not a case of something you can necessarily measure, like a stray voltage or a bad parameter or two or a salt brand or batch.

Sorry, I guess this isn't really helpful. You have my sympathies and empathy Jason .. I wish you the best of luck.

[lastlight]

What makes a tank old though? Could a person not remove all the corals from an old tank and place them into a large frag tank of sorts when things decline? Then replace all your rock, water, sand, filter media etc. It's be like having a new tank with a massive supply of corals to add.

[Delphinus]

I'd pretty much call that a tank reset ..

[lastlight]

seems like a good idea to me. but when does a person decide it's worth it i guess.