Info about ORA Corals in Canada

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Scythanith

I think Dave is trying to show people that they have to be aware of the consequences of buying corals.

No, this is a vendor updating us to the fact that he does not yet have these items, but is pursuing it.

As mentioned, we are not discussing the legal issues here. This forum is for purposes of advertising wares, announcing sales and providing support to customers.
This is not a public announcement forum and any further legal issues will result in all responses to Dave's announcment being removed.

[Ron99]

Thanks Scott. I think I am starting to understand the basics of this. But if I understand correctly it can be done if you have a re-export license/permit and a copy of the original CITES importation information.

I have no insider knowledge of how this is done, this is just how I might try to go about it if I were looking to import these corals. So hypothetically, a third party, whether that's a retailer or another wholesaler or distributor in the US could purchase frags from ORA or Reef Farmers. Presumably, ORA and Reef Farmers may have the original CITES for some or all of their corals. They may be willing to provide a copy to the third party for re-export purposes. Now if that third party has a re-export license or permit then they could ship to Canada. Correct me if I'm wrong with this.

So importing these corals is not impossible, merely difficult and may require additional steps between ORA and Canada. Just because ORA etc. do not have re-export licenses and can't ship corals across the border does not mean others aren't able to do so. The wholesalers in LA obviously have permits to re-export to canada, for example, as many LFS here get product from them. Hell, if I were ORA or Reef Farmers, and given the current economy, I would be happy to have a third party increasing the market for my product by exporting it for me.

Anyhow, just my take on this.

[Scythanith]

Originally Posted by Ron99

Thanks Scott. I think I am starting to understand the basics of this. But if I understand correctly it can be done if you have a re-export license/permit and a copy of the original CITES importation information.

I have no insider knowledge of how this is done, this is just how I might try to go about it if I were looking to import these corals. So hypothetically, a third party, whether that's a retailer or another wholesaler or distributor in the US could purchase frags from ORA or Reef Farmers. Presumably, ORA and Reef Farmers may have the original CITES for some or all of their corals. They may be willing to provide a copy to the third party for re-export purposes. Now if that third party has a re-export license or permit then they could ship to Canada. Correct me if I'm wrong with this.

So importing these corals is not impossible, merely difficult and may require additional steps between ORA and Canada. Just because ORA etc. do not have re-export licenses and can't ship corals across the border does not mean others aren't able to do so. The wholesalers in LA obviously have permits to re-export to canada, for example, as many LFS here get product from them. Hell, if I were ORA or Reef Farmers, and given the current economy, I would be happy to have a third party increasing the market for my product by exporting it for me.

Anyhow, just my take on this.

Hypothetically you are correct.

[Scythanith]

I guess the biggest part to remember is that origin of many of the Tyree corals is unknown. How can you obtain the original export CITES is you don't know where it came from?

Dave, your PM's are full, clean it up!