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wickedfrags · #1 05-14-2009, 04:53 PM

Could have sworn you posted following the frag not surviving shipping that you were selling the $30 credit for $10 less than it was worth ($20)....and then I recall increasing the value of the credit to $50 to help you sell it in a timely manner - perhaps I am incorrect. Somebody look that up!

Also "fragging of a off a colony that was sick anyways" - those are your words not mine. Does not sound like something I would do as I don't need the $30 that bad.

Depending on the SPS frag and where I place it (assuming the frag is cut flush) - yup 5-8 days depending on the coral (and this one does like to encrust). Keeping the magnessium high is my secret.

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Originally Posted by Borderjumper

Your wrong Dave, I didnt sell my credit, I gave it away. Yes I was quite upset that the zoa frag that I had purchased died in your care and without notification to me you cut a fresh one ( off a colony that was sick anyways) and shipped it. I sure wasnt going to pay $60 shipping to replace a $30 frag.

One other online frag outlet used a ploy on me a number of times back in the day.. it seems every order I received had one frag that somehow had just dissolved.. so to justify the shipping of a "free" replacement I would add a couple of hundred $ of new stuff.. and what ya know.. one would come as just an empty rock or frag disk... I have never had a zoa frag in my tank just dissolve to nothing in 6-12 hours..

I dont know what your using to grow corals.. but I have never had a fresh cut acro frag encrust in 5 days!

wickedfrags · #2 05-14-2009, 06:13 PM

You did however tell everyone you sold it - trust you can appreciate my confusion given the thread below.

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...t=50179&page=2

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Originally Posted by Borderjumper

Your wrong Dave, I didnt sell my credit, I gave it away.

wickedfrags · #3 05-14-2009, 06:24 PM

Alright, last post then I close it as people choose not to answer the tough questions.

...Paul apprears not to have the stones so I will say it for him.

Paul and Ian work together. They share some space now I understand...

Paul sold me some corals about a year back, he operates under a company name (acronym is his userID). Based on my dealings and telephone concervations with Paul - well I am not suprised Tyree/ORA/USA brand corals are being moved under his watchful eye.

To be continued in a more stringent, US coral re-export specific thread.

Thanks to everyone who posted.

sphelps · #4 05-14-2009, 06:25 PM

I don't see anything wrong with asking for documentation when it comes to stuff like ORA. You pay a premium price for this stuff so it makes sense. You wouldn't buy a diamond without some kind of documentation, so same deal.

However when it comes to coral names what possible documentation could you want? Vendors always name their corals and it's usually based on what it looks like. If you buy a poker star do you require documentation stating it came from the original colony? No, if it looks like it then that's close enough. This is starting to sound like a bickering battle between to people, this whole thread seems to be a waist of time, I can't even tell what's really being discussed.

Buyer beware! Move on, and if vendors want to go after other vendors do it elsewhere as I don't believe that's what Canreef is for.

BC Mosaic · #5 05-14-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wickedfrags.com

.... I generaly just make up the names for ordering purposes (such as the lariat zoa - named after the truck I just bought), or if it is visually simalar to other popular corals. ......

Now there is the crux of the matter.
Thanks for adding to the confusion, mislabelling, mispricing and all the other BS that is cropping up.
Sheesh.

wickedfrags · #6 05-14-2009, 05:20 PM

I don't understand your post - naming a frag and assigning a price to it is not new and is done by essentially all online websites.

I do not try and associate corals with specific ID sites or anything like that, because that can be even more confusing and/or misleading. More intersting than Zoa No. 1, Zoas No. 2...........

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Originally Posted by BC Mosaic

Now there is the crux of the matter.
Thanks for adding to the confusion, mislabelling, mispricing and all the other BS that is cropping up.
Sheesh.

Reefer Rob · #7 05-14-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wickedfrags.com

Bending stupid rules in your personal life is one thing, bending such rules at work or in a business environment is another story though!

LOL! Bending rules in my business is nearly impossible anyway, the government is so far up my a$$ it hurts to bend over... still, if it's a senseless rule

There's so many regulations (and a government bureaucracy to go with each one!) I probably break a few every day and don't even know it.

Gotta go... so many rules, so little time.

Gooly001 · #8 05-14-2009, 04:23 PM

Could you kindly ask your supplier to forward you a copy of his/her CITES for me? You could PM or fax me a copy.

Thanks and looking forward to it as I would like to spend quite a considerable amount of money with you just as long as you can show me documented proof that you or your supplier brought it in legally.

Thanks for your time.

Reefer Rob · #9 05-14-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by R.A.D.

Could you kindly ask your supplier to forward you a copy of his/her CITES for me? You could PM or fax me a copy.

Thanks and looking forward to it as I would like to spend quite a considerable amount of money with you just as long as you can show me documented proof that you or your supplier brought it in legally.

Thanks for your time.

I think someone is trying make a point... and a good one!

Who was it that said a long time ago "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Give me a minute, it's come to me

Scythanith · #10 05-14-2009, 05:17 PM

What reason would you have to doubt that WickedFrags corals weren't brought in legally? The site doesn't claim that the corals within it require anything more than a regular export CITES from the country of origin, which most fish stores never receive aside from the CITES sticker on the box. It is the wholesaler or facilitator that needs to ensure that the proper CITES is in place. Now if Wickedfrags were to bring in corals that obviously require a re-export CITES permit to bring them from another country, then the paperwork would be their responsibility. On a side note, anyone could send you a CITES that had a couple Acropora sp. & Montipora sp. listed on it and you wouldn't know if those were for the corals in the bags sent to you. It's a faulted system, which makes it easy to get by.

If Wickedfrags were to post that their sunset Montipora was of Tyree lineage, I'd be the first to ask them for the paperwork.

I've been hearing the "so what, it's a stupid rule anyways" a lot lately, and you know what. I agree completely! Yes it's insane to think that the government has a problem with reefers trading/selling aqua-cultured corals. But you have to start somewhere with the rules that protect the animals don't you? Just because it maybe aqua-cultured doesn't change the fact that it may have come out of the ocean illegally (I don't think that's the case with all the corals in question).

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Originally Posted by R.A.D.

Could you kindly ask your supplier to forward you a copy of his/her CITES for me? You could PM or fax me a copy.

Thanks and looking forward to it as I would like to spend quite a considerable amount of money with you just as long as you can show me documented proof that you or your supplier brought it in legally.

Thanks for your time.