thread review - canreef staff please read

[Delphinus]

Sorry, but I'm with the other staff members here. When there are posts that are prefaced with "The staff here are arbitrary", it IS insulting to us. I feel this way too everytime the issue of censorship comes up. And it makes me wonder why I continue to do this.

Yes, some things get removed from public view sometimes. And that's never going to change. If there are problems with a post, it will get pulled and not always will the reasoning be publicly posted.

Think of this example, if a student is suspended or expelled from a school, the principal, the teachers, the school board do not come out and publicly invade that student's (or others) privacy by announcing the reason. Sometimes the reasons just plain aren't for public knowledge.

We the staff run the board. In my opinion, we do a pretty good job of keeping it open and friendly. Other boards put up with far less than we do, but if you really feel that more transparency is required on the part of the staff, well, we beg to differ. Sorry but that is the reality.

[Jason McK]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

Sorry, but I'm with the other staff members here. When there are posts that are prefaced with "The staff here are arbitrary", it IS insulting to us. I feel this way too everytime the issue of censorship comes up. And it makes me wonder why I continue to do this.

Yes, some things get removed from public view sometimes. And that's never going to change. If there are problems with a post, it will get pulled and not always will the reasoning be publicly posted.

Think of this example, if a student is suspended or expelled from a school, the principal, the teachers, the school board do not come out and publicly invade that student's (or others) privacy by announcing the reason. Sometimes the reasons just plain aren't for public knowledge.

We the staff run the board. In my opinion, we do a pretty good job of keeping it open and friendly. Other boards put up with far less than we do, but if you really feel that more transparency is required on the part of the staff, well, we beg to differ. Sorry but that is the reality.

Well said Tony. I do not have to rehash everyone else has already said. but agree with it 100%

J

[Ron99]

I can certainly appreciate that alot goes in in the background and I'm not sitting here all day reading each and every post to a thread as they go up to see if something rally offensive happens. But maybe just a note to the originator of the thread telling them it's being pulled and why would be nice. I still have no idea why my other thread disappeared other than maybe some Big Al's supporters were offended.

Sorry to Hijack this a bit Dave, it's slightly related but I'll return the programming to you now

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

Sorry, but I'm with the other staff members here. When there are posts that are prefaced with "The staff here are arbitrary", it IS insulting to us. I feel this way too everytime the issue of censorship comes up. And it makes me wonder why I continue to do this.

IMO arbitrary isn't quite the right word to use here but I understand how why it was chosen. The lack of transparency for the reasoning behind some of these decisions is frustrating sometimes. I found myself wondering if or how my contributions contributed to the problems. Why had the staff decided to kill the thread? Did I miss something nasty posted? Is there drama I am not a part of or am I unknowingly in the middle of it? I was vexed, really rather vexed.

Then I remembered that I needed a new spark plug for the lawnmower and priorities shifted. Turns out I have a life and stuff.

Originally Posted by Delphinus

We the staff run the board. In my opinion, we do a pretty good job of keeping it open and friendly. Other boards put up with far less than we do, but if you really feel that more transparency is required on the part of the staff, well, we beg to differ. Sorry but that is the reality.

Most of the time when somebody says they want transparency they really want input into how the situation is handled. There's lots of lively discussion here, opinions vary and some posters (like myself for example) are stubborn, arrogant and abrupt at times. In what fantasy world do you have to live in that you would think somebody's bad behavior in a thread about skimmers would not spill over and probably escalate in some sort of meta discussion about how to deal with the thread that was out of control?

When you ask the mods to open these things up to further discussion what you are really asking them is to start a never ending pile of shat. Some sort of flamewar race to the bottom that they have to devote more time to day after day.

It's not a reasonable request, go buy a spark plug.

[wickedfrags]

Wow, you go clean the skimmer, check the tanks and go to bed without checking the thread…and there are 36 replies!

First let me say I think the mods and admin team do a good job here on Canreef. This thread was not closed immediately, and honestly, I think they are part of the reason this board is the most active in Canada and has had the number of active members increase more than 50% during the time I have been here (obviously the members contribute significantly also!). Other forums, well we have watched the number of active members steadily decrease. Would I like to have seen the other thread edited instead of closed, yes. Do I agree with EVERY reefkeeping recommendation and/or statement the mod and admin team make, no. Should we respect the fact their job is not an easy one being mindful they have the best interests of the board in mind, yes.

Now that being said, as I mentioned in the first post the topic of LE/Tyree/ORA and other brand name corals being marketed and sold in Canada warrants further discussion as it could affect many members, reefkeepers (at all levels), including sponsors. There are many many reasons to discuss this further – some of which could be considered significant.

I would be happy to host the discussion in a new thread in the wickedfrags forum. Discussion would not mention specific vendors (unless of course they chose to participate just like the last thread). Thread would remain civil, professional and as courteous as possible at all times, while still expressing your thoughts whatever they may be (however if they are deemed over the top or inappropriate they would be edited).

This topic could very well represent a new and exciting opportunity for both reefkeepers and sponsors. Being mindful of the board's interests, I would invite the moderators to assist in the thread moderation as I am on the east coast and not online nearly as much as they are.

I sincerely hope this important topic is not overlooked and further discussion is allowed. It would be disappointing and perhaps considered irresponsible by some to turn a blind eye to this discussion and pretend the topic never arose on the board.

Look forward to your continued replies.

and while the chat above is all serious……..ya I thought the teenage wood comment was funny )

[Snaz]

Originally Posted by wickedfrags.com

now that being said, as i mentioned in the first post the topic of le/tyree/ora and other brand name corals being marketed and sold in canada warrants further discussion

+1

[Aquattro]

Dave, as long as a thread is not coming out and accusing anyone of anything illegal, and you want to monitor it, feel free to discuss as you like. If a poster doesn't agree with a vendor's claims, then the poster can choose not to purchase from them. Not accuse them of lying, stealling, cheating, or any other immoral behaviour.

I'll start...

Personally, if I see a pretty frag for a price I'm willing to pay, I don't care what it's called, where it came from or how it got here. I have corals shipped fedex from the states, even a frag brought up in a film container in a shirt pocket. If someone wants to call it the the ORA Tyree LE anything, good for them.
As long as the frags I'm buying originated in captivity, I don't care what the rules say.
Carry on.......

[wickedfrags]

Moderators/Administrators:

Further to the thread review request at apx. 9:05pm yesterday (as per the canreef email I received - and you were all sent), as requested, please accept the above noted reply to this thread as my response.

Further, I do not fully understand the reason portion of the email, so if it is not adequately addressed I apologize:

This is the reason that the user gave:
This vendor doesn't get it..... ??

The reason lacks adequate detail so I am not sure what I am to make of this, or specifically what it is I do not get.

I trust everything you require to complete the review of this thread is contained in my post above. If not, please contact me or post in this thread. Thanks.

[Ephraim]

I think the problem lies in the name but also the value associated with that name. When a vendor uses the prefix ORA, Tyree, Ming,etc when marketing thier frag, that prefix is used for the sole purpose of marketing said product and to possibly add value to that product.

We all know that many people have sunset montis that did not come from Tyree, some come in with Indo aquaculture and such, the ocean is a big place. But I can also buy Armani clothing off ebay for 1/4 the price, did they come from the same factory as ones i would pay full price for at retail, probably not, do i care? No, but that is my own priority.

Some people though will buy an Armani product and want to pay that extra $ to make sure it is "authentic", that is thier own priority. Now what happens when a retailer that normally sells authentic Armani product starts selling ebay knockoff for the full price of authentics? The consumer does not know the difference, but does that make it right? But really how silly it is for a consumer to pay so much more for a product becuase of the authenticity of the name. One could argue that a consumer such as that begs to be taken advantage of.

I would not support this type of mislabeling for more profit activity nor would I support a company or individual that arbitrarially bent the rules to bring something across the border illegitimatly.


ramble ramble ramble

[sphelps]

I don't know exactly what the whole story is here or even what the topic is but I'll say this,
I believe the mods on this site do a pretty good job, and the site is run well. I don't agree with everything done but that's life, a small group of people will never be able to satisfy everyone else in the world. Just like government which most people rarely have anything good to say about. So first off good job guys, we all deserve a little ego stroke once in a while

The bottom line is the Mods run the site, they can do what they choice and will continue to do so if they believe it's what is best for the site. Do they owe explanations, well not really that's their decision but with every decision comes consequences. So mods don't get so uptight when people question your actions if you choice to go this route, this is a natural response.

Its the underlying tone that certainly makes me wonder why I continue here.

*sigh*

And it makes me wonder why I continue to do this.

A couple from this thread alone