Physics Question - Page 2

Lance · #11 02-26-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrfish55

Two fans, one each end. 1 pushing air in the other blowing out. my current canopy is set up this way and both previous custom canopies I have done have also been set up this way, cools the lamps and keeps the heat away from the surface of the water. If you don't have the fans yet I do have a spare 4" variable speed ice cap fan, for you I make to be good deal ya.

The fans just came in today. When am i gonna learn to call you first? I sometimes think you have enough equipment to open your own store.

Mrfish55 · #12 02-26-2009, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

I sometimes think you have enough equipment to open your own store.

That would be funny if it weren't true

marie · #13 02-26-2009, 02:47 AM

I'm pretty sure I have a couple of ice cap fans sitting around here somewhere not doing anything too

Lance · #14 02-26-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by marie

I'm pretty sure I have a couple of ice cap fans sitting around here somewhere not doing anything too

Oh fer Chrissake!

marie · #15 02-26-2009, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Oh fer Chrissake!

Don't feel too badly it would probably take me a week to find them. I've had them for 3 or 4 yrs and never used them

banditpowdercoat · #16 02-26-2009, 03:00 AM

It all depends on what your trying to do. But if your just trying to remove canopy heat from the lights, Pull. But fan will get corroded. The Push Pull config will work great on a fairly sealed canopy. That is, if the canopy doesnt have enough air leaks to match the fans CFM. But the total air exchanged that way is 1 fans CFM rating. If both fans are in the same direction, ie Blowing out, the CFM is the addition of the 2 fans, more air volume.. If wanting to cool the water itself, through evaporation, then blowing on the water obviously is best.

24storm · #17 02-26-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrfish55

Two fans, one each end. 1 pushing air in the other blowing out. my current canopy is set up this way and both previous custom canopies I have done have also been set up this way, cools the lamps and keeps the heat away from the surface of the water. If you don't have the fans yet I do have a spare 4" variable speed ice cap fan, for you I make to be good deal ya.

This is how i have mine setup as well. I have had no problems my canopy is about a year old. I have aqua medic fans and they have stayed quiet since the install and i have seen no signs of them rusting or salt creep.

Keith

slakker · #18 02-26-2009, 04:30 AM

It's about flow... if you push air in or pull air out... how's the air being replaced. The design with 2 matchedfan pushing and pulling is the best idea I think...

Funky_Fish14 · #19 02-26-2009, 05:35 AM

I have a closed canopy over a covered 75g with two 400w halides, and two bulk 4" fans from Princess Auto.... One pushes air in, the other draws air out at the other end... I have NO heat issues, my tank has only ever peaked at 83 degrees, when our air conditioner was not on for a few hours... during the day the temp is about 79 on average through the year.

If you can keep the heat away from the water... you wont have to cool the water.

wolf_bluejay · #20 02-26-2009, 07:12 AM

What would be best really depends on what you are trying to cool.

There is a lot of things to take into consideration here. CFM of the fans, how well the canopy seals and the air volume of the canopy itself. But here is a few ways to look at it.

Assuming reasonable air sealing and the "usual" amount of air space.

First option -- 2 pushing fans. 2x the airflow, and some air escapes through leaks. The air pressure would be slightly higher in the canopy, and thus you would have a higher heat transfer to the air. The fans blowing across the water or not, don't matter all that much if the volume of air is high. it is a safe assumption that the exiting air would be equal in temp to the water, and thus no more cooling could occur.
Interesting Enough, if the air volume is very high and the CFM low, you would acutally increase the heat transfer from the lamps to the water by the high air denisty and circulation.
This option also works well because you can put an air filter in front of the fans and reduce dust buildup, which insulates very well.

Second option -- 1 push , 1 pull. 1x the airflow, and equalized air pressure with outside air. Not, really any great bonus to this setup except for more control over the entry and exit points of the air (IE, no dust or dirt buildup around air leaks).

Third option. -- 2 pulling, 2x the airflow. The option works better if you are just trying to cool the water. The air pressure decreases, which would normally lower the heat transfer from the lights to the water (think a wannabe thermos). However, this option also increases evaportation of the water (things boil and evaporate easier in low peressure environments). So, you would cause your light to run a bit hotter, and transfer less of that to the water, and evaporate more water out. But only if the canopy seals well enough and has a small enough air space to acutally lower the pressure enough. (which I have not run the numbers on).

Of course, with the fans pulling, you do wear them out quickly. It's not so much an issue for me, as I have a perpetual supply of computer fans and 12v power supplies. But for anyone paying for fan, that might be an issue.

If you want to get real technical, it's the evaporation that accounts for most the the tank cooling effect, rather than the acutal temperature difference of the water. Very much so with the 0% humidity of a kamloops summer.

Now, If I could just find a cheap supply of 30cm 12vdc fans I would be in heaven. Finally a quiet fan