Reef - Ich - Organicure - Fallow Tank - Aaaaargh ! ? ! ? ! ?

[naesco]

Originally Posted by albert_dao

Garlic is a waste of time. Observed recoveries based on its use are annecdotal at best. Allicin, the active enzyme in garlic, is wildly unstable and will rapidly decompose once formed.

Stick with known macrophage stimulants such as beta glucans and lipopolysaccharides.

Peace

Really, I have been keeping fish for 18 years and during that time had some pretty severe ich infestations. In every case but one, the ich cleared without any loss of fish.
But, of course this is merely an anecdotal comment at best.

WTF are beta glucans and lipopolysaccarides?

[Trigger Man]

For Ick I like No Sick fish Ick remover, it lists as reef safe and I've used it a few times in my display tank when introducing a new fish that got ick and it has worked every time, with the best thing being that the treated fish have never gotten ick again, even when a new fish with ick was introduced. My snails, crabs, pods also showed no adverse effects.

[marie]

Originally Posted by naesco

Really, I have been keeping fish for 18 years and during that time had some pretty severe ich infestations. In every case but one, the ich cleared without any loss of fish.
But, of course this is merely an anecdotal comment at best.

WTF are beta glucans and lipopolysaccarides?

Beta glucans are an immune booster that can be bought at health food stores. The beta glucans that come from the cell walls of brewers and bakers yeast are the best but you can get them from some cereal grains like oats.

Unless your prepared to crush your own garlic and feed immediately the health benefits are limited. I would suspect most of your fish would of recovered from ich even if you hadn't fed garlic

[naesco]

Originally Posted by marie

Beta glucans are an immune booster that can be bought at health food stores. The beta glucans that are made from the cell walls of brewers and bakers yeast are the best but you can get them made from some cereal grains like oats.

Unless your prepared to crush your own garlic and feed immediately the health benefits are limited. I would suspect most of your fish would of recovered from ich even if you hadn't fed garlic

Thanks for the info.
On a few occasions the tank had a fairly mild ich infection and your comment that they would have recovered anyway is possible.
But, I have had very serious ich infections that in the past, without intervention killed the fish.
By using garlic extract (garlic extreme.) the ich went away after a few weeks
I would like to see a scientific test done with ich and garlic. I would do it myself but would properly be accused of bias. Until than each to their own I guess. Oats versus garlic, ha ha

[marie]

Well as I said the glucans that come from yeast are the best so it might be more accurate to say bread versus garlic

[naesco]

Originally Posted by marie

Well as I said the glucans that come from yeast are the best so it might be more accurate to say bread versus garlic

How about garlic bread than!

[VFX]

Albert - funny that the shorthand for lipopolysaccharides is LPS, was that an intentional pun?

Anyway, I guess the cure for my problems is to feed garlic bread to my fish or to use No Sick Fish?

.

[Trigger Man]

I would say if you are patient try the garlic, but if you want it gone typically in less then 7 days use No Sick Fish. I tryed the garlic method when I put in my sohal and my kole was picking on it so it got ick. Almost 2 weeks later it still had the ick (so due to my lack of patience), so I went out and bought some more NSF Ick remover and 3 days later it was all cleared up and the sohal has not shown any specks since then.