Ok It's BUBBLE KING REVIEW

[Pan]

Originally Posted by asmodeus

SO bubble king users when you turn off the skimmer does it rattle and hum or does it just start up

Maybe you got the U2 Version...?

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by 'Ol Nobodaddy

Maybe you got the U2 Version...?

lol

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by asmodeus

Marie what size do you have again Im looking at the 200 and some people are saying it not really worth the price or heck it is rated for 135-265 gal

i would love to get the 200 SM but its alittle out of my reach

Generation 2 Mini's (what you'll be getting) are rated at a 20% higher capacity than their predecessors.

Originally Posted by sphelps

SM 250 is 1250 EUR with is over $2000 Canadian. Link

Th vertex skimmers are made in the exact same Chinese factory as Euro Reefs. The pumps are made by Resun, not exactly the best pump makers. I assure you I know a little something about protein skimmers

The Resun pumps on Vertex skimmers are hermetically sealed and free from the corrosion issues of the rebranded Gen-X pumps. Additionally, with the new impeller bearings and shaft, these motors run far quieter than the Sedras.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by 'Ol Nobodaddy

Maybe you got the U2 Version...?

Bwaaa Haaaa Haaa! Dude, you're killing me!

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by albert_dao

The Resun pumps on Vertex skimmers are hermetically sealed and free from the corrosion issues of the rebranded Gen-X pumps. Additionally, with the new impeller bearings and shaft, these motors run far quieter than the Sedras.

I'm not saying these pumps are bad but Resun does not have the best rep but this could change with time. To me they look identical in every way to the gen-x's and sedra's. People in the RC vertex club thread are already talking about switching the resun pump for a sedra. Comparing power as well the resuns seem to be rated at a higher wattage. Not sure why.

The vertex line is new and for the price they seem like a really good deal and I would use one if it fit my budget but I can see problems down the road which is common with any first generation skimmer.

focusing on negatives here but enough to worry me a little.

resun pumps are the cheapest, crappest pumps avaliable here in thailand they are scarily inefficient and of poor build quality. Just to put them in perspective, they cost peanuts.

Its funny because they are not known in the US really, but they are poor, cheap pumps IME.

Well, they certianly are....

LOUD!

Oh, well, I guess reefers on a budget will have no problem wearing ear muffs while admiring their reefs.

Another plus is that you no longer have to worry about Dursos or Stockmans or any of those overflow box standpipe silencers. Just let the water fall into your overflow sans standpipe--you'll never hear the crashing water over one of these Resun pumps...!

A resun pump with 3000 lph output costs approx $17 here - and they break all the time. I would be very concerned about a skimmer which relies on a Resun pump. They make pretty good chillers though.

[Veng68]

Franklin went out and tested the power consumption of the resun pump on a Vertex 250 skimmer at Aquatic Addictions........ the pump says 145 watts but when he tested it with a watt meter....... it drew 67 watts. Franklin thinks it's because the 145 is drawing all water and the 67 is water and air mixture which requires less energy to pump.

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...testing&page=4

Cheers,
Vic

[mark]

Why so much effort on a skimmer? Realize they're important but what's wrong with your tank you figure trading up skimmers are going to solve?

[sphelps]

Thanks Vic, that's kinda what I figured.

I just want to make it clear that I'm not intentionally trying to give these skimmers or pumps a bad name but the vertex 180 sells for around $360 while the Euro Reef 180 is closer to $450. Since the body's are made in the same factory and the vertex obviously has more money invested in the body it seems obvious a cheaper pump was used to keep the cost low. So far vertex owners seem to have good experience with the pumps but only time will tell if they hold up to the hype.

Cheers

[lastlight]

I recall that thread. To me it seems this todd march guy hates on EVERYTHING proline and i'm not the only one who's noticed this.

Originally Posted by sphelps

I'm not saying these pumps are bad but Resun does not have the best rep but this could change with time. To me they look identical in every way to the gen-x's and sedra's. People in the RC vertex club thread are already talking about switching the resun pump for a sedra. Comparing power as well the resuns seem to be rated at a higher wattage. Not sure why.

The vertex line is new and for the price they seem like a really good deal and I would use one if it fit my budget but I can see problems down the road which is common with any first generation skimmer.

focusing on negatives here but enough to worry me a little.

[fkshiu]

Originally Posted by lastlight

I recall that thread. To me it seems this todd march guy hates on EVERYTHING proline and i'm not the only one who's noticed this.

But Proline distributes BOTH Vertex and BK, correct?

They are aimed at entirely different markets. You don't usually cross-shop a Honda Accord with a Mercedes S-class, which by the way is a very apt comparison: they're both cars just like the Vertex and BK are both skimmers, but they are in entirely different price leagues.

The modern Accord has gobs of room and plenty of power and uses less gas than the S-class (who needs a V8/V10/V12 nowadays anyway?). Therefore, why would anyone buy an S-class over an Accord? The same reason why there's a market for the BK - the rush of the massive engine like the power of the Red Dragon pump; the granite almost Fort Knox feel when you shut the door like the granite almost Fort Knox feel of the half-cm-thick cell cast acrylic; the Teutonic snob appeal of both.

Ask anyone who markets any luxury brand - people do not buy luxury items out of need and certainly not out of logic. It's a far more emotional decision.