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Old 12-08-2008, 07:44 PM
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you could also look at the vertex skimmer, getting good reviews and real afordable.

I can't see the logic on spending $1229 on something when you can get the same results for $355, or if you have the room to put a 30" tall skimmer ytou can get the biggest vertex at 400. which is rated to 250 gal tank

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Old 12-08-2008, 08:31 PM
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you could also look at the vertex skimmer, getting good reviews and real afordable.

I can't see the logic on spending $1229 on something when you can get the same results for $355, or if you have the room to put a 30" tall skimmer ytou can get the biggest vertex at 400. which is rated to 250 gal tank

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The vertex is Proline's answer to their issue with euro reef, it's the exact same skimmer except they added a diffuser chamber which was a good addition. However the collection cup attaches by a gland seal o-ring which makes removing the collection cup a real PITA and a recipe for skimmate spill. If you're looking for a good skimmer in a $400 budget it's a good choice but I wouldn't go any further.

I used a Euro Reef 180 in my tank for a few weeks while I waited for my BK, it was like I didn't even have a skimmer and barely pulled anything, when I hooked up the BK it was like I never even had a skimmer before, cleaned the tank up real fast. I know Mike's tried a few skimmers on his tank and it seems he's ready for something a little more reliable, constant and effective.

You guy's can trash talk BKs all you want but you get what you pay for. I would bet with all the money Mike's invested in skimmers he could have bought two BKs by now
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:33 PM
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OH yes if you only knew how much that I have spent time for a change... Steve are you home now i dont have your Work number.
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The vertex is Proline's answer to their issue with euro reef, it's the exact same skimmer except they added a diffuser chamber which was a good addition. However the collection cup attaches by a gland seal o-ring which makes removing the collection cup a real PITA and a recipe for skimmate spill. If you're looking for a good skimmer in a $400 budget it's a good choice but I wouldn't go any further.

I used a Euro Reef 180 in my tank for a few weeks while I waited for my BK, it was like I didn't even have a skimmer and barely pulled anything, when I hooked up the BK it was like I never even had a skimmer before, cleaned the tank up real fast. I know Mike's tried a few skimmers on his tank and it seems he's ready for something a little more reliable, constant and effective.

You guy's can trash talk BKs all you want but you get what you pay for. I would bet with all the money Mike's invested in skimmers he could have bought two BKs by now
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:42 PM
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hey Steve I'm just looking at the vertex skimmer, its the same skimmer like the Euro reef but with the sedra pumps I dont like the Sedra pumps had them on my Euro reef. I can't see how a vertex skimmer is better then a euro reef its the pump at the end of the day to make the skimmer Unless that Im wrong here... alot of skimmer sare going to the Bubble plate too.

Like Sphelps stated I have tried alot of skimmer's and spend alot of mpney on them just to say that i have tried them. And I really think when you spend your money you get what you pay for. Look at the PFO reflector's they are ok, until you put them next to the Lumenarc's



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you could also look at the vertex skimmer, getting good reviews and real afordable.

I can't see the logic on spending $1229 on something when you can get the same results for $355, or if you have the room to put a 30" tall skimmer ytou can get the biggest vertex at 400. which is rated to 250 gal tank

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I would bet with all the money Mike's invested in skimmers he could have bought two BKs by now






I dont think he,s alone there.
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The vertex is Proline's answer to their issue with euro reef, it's the exact same skimmer except they added a diffuser chamber which was a good addition. However the collection cup attaches by a gland seal o-ring which makes removing the collection cup a real PITA and a recipe for skimmate spill. If you're looking for a good skimmer in a $400 budget it's a good choice but I wouldn't go any further.

I used a Euro Reef 180 in my tank for a few weeks while I waited for my BK, it was like I didn't even have a skimmer and barely pulled anything, when I hooked up the BK it was like I never even had a skimmer before, cleaned the tank up real fast. I know Mike's tried a few skimmers on his tank and it seems he's ready for something a little more reliable, constant and effective.

You guy's can trash talk BKs all you want but you get what you pay for. I would bet with all the money Mike's invested in skimmers he could have bought two BKs by now
Trash Talk? When i read of so many people saying that their skimmer is built really well but performs comparable to cheaper skimmers, i'm sorry but image means nothing to me, i think everyone said they perform well, just not as well as the price would seem to dictate. If he has the money to burn, and doesn't want cheaper alternatives, then by all means go for it. We've all bought equipment that should have lived up to the hype and didn't and equipment that was supposed crap and performed excellently, I for one have seen the same euro-reef skimmers pull completely diff. amounts of gunk...why i don't know...i think all this equipment is somewhat like that I think the ATI Bubblemaster was a good skimmer as well, the company behind it however
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OH yes if you only knew how much that I have spent time for a change... Steve are you home now i dont have your Work number.
No I'm at work and not really around the phone as I'm constantly running into the back shop to deal with heat treating issues. You can try calling me later at home but I think I'll probably be out x-mas shopping. Best to just shoot me a PM or email if you have something to ask me directly.
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Trash Talk? When i read of so many people saying that their skimmer is built really well but preforms comparable to cheaper skimmers, i'm sorry but image means nothing to me, i think everyone said they perform well, just not as well as the price would seem to dictate.
I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, I've just noticed the BKs get a lot of trash talk on this forum and it hasn't started yet on this thread but I'm kind of expecting it to.

Don't read too much into things I'm just trying to help and would prefer to avoid any skimmer debates this time around.
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I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, I've just noticed the BKs get a lot of trash talk on this forum and it hasn't started yet on this thread but I'm kind of expecting it to.

Don't read too much into things I'm just trying to help and would prefer to avoid any skimmer debates this time around.
Agreed, to thine own skimmer be true
I would like to try a Bubble king just to see if it works, but I am happy with my three euro-reefs....they do what i need them to
I just think the price is a lot, considering custom skimmers are close, sometime even cheaper...
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:20 PM
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yes I agree that the Bubble kings get huge Trash talk ,but why because of the $$$$$$$$$, then why are so many people in Germany screaming about them.
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