when are we going to have a

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

what I meen by this is that lets say I slap togeather a stand out of 2X4s and put some cheep plywood on it and leave it unfinnished (kinda like what you would do for a frag tank.

You mean like Ryan's? Who finished in a close second in the latest popularity poll. I don't think too many people are concerned about the stand, after all it's a tank contest not a stand contest. A stand is a nice feature and certainly adds to the tank but not so much in this kind of contest.

I'm not sure I really see the point in a limited budget. To keep rich people out seems like a silly reason and even a little offensive. I think anyone should be able to enter and if someone wants to spend the money on an AIO or reef ready setup why not let them? I don't see an advantage in that, after all not everyone is super DIY handy so why put them at a disadvantage? One could say the same about DIY projects, handy people have just as much of an advantage.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by sphelps

You mean like Ryan's?
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like Ryan's what? Stand? no I was talking about one I made for a frag tank.

[Pan]

Originally Posted by sphelps

You mean like Ryan's? Who finished in a close second in the latest popularity poll. I don't think too many people are concerned about the stand, after all it's a tank contest not a stand contest. A stand is a nice feature and certainly adds to the tank but not so much in this kind of contest.

I'm not sure I really see the point in a limited budget. To keep rich people out seems like a silly reason and even a little offensive. I think anyone should be able to enter and if someone wants to spend the money on an AIO or reef ready setup why not let them? I don't see an advantage in that, after all not everyone is super DIY handy so why put them at a disadvantage? One could say the same about DIY projects, handy people have just as much of an advantage.

Someone who can only by frags as opposed to someone who buys huge colonies, well...limit the contest to frag size only or something. If you have money you can make a tank look good. simple as that. Look at the japanese tanks where as soon as the coral looks bad they remove and put in another, it always LOOKS good, but there is no sustainability. I'm not saying that all japanese tanks are like that.
I agree with the DIY aspect as well. But agian, I have seen rich and poor with absolutely no sense of the aesthetic so...make a contest with multiple categories, best stock nano, best diy, best aquascape, best frag, best colony, best softy, best overall...whatever. Competition is not a good thing anyway...it makes a poor society

[Ryan_Lap]

Hey now, lets leave me out of this argument.

Seriously now, I think that if you guys want to do a contest with a budget thats over 1k, you wont get many people. Unless of course they wanted to set the tank up conveniently at the time the contest was starting. I had no intention of starting up a 10g ever, but the contest intrigued me. I also like the fact that its somewhat on a budget as I dont have oodles of cash to throw around.

As for the nano contest and the budget how it is.... Its not the best, but this is the first contest(and I have the feeling the only one) so things might not be perfect. There is so much bitching involved in everything having to do with this contest (and any ideas of contests) that I think it really deters and will deter people from entering any future ones.

In conclusion, I cant believe this has last 3 pages. I thought the OP was joking when he posted the question due to how much arguing happens in the 10g Contest.

Oh and PS, I dont think anybody cares what the stands really look like. Its all whats in the tank and the tank itself. I dont think too many people are judging me on my living room decore and furniture?

[Ryan_Lap]

[JDigital]

This is funny... Contest hasn't even been started and there are disagreements already.

I think alot of things got ironed out *roughly* in the 10G contest, and really, there shouldn't be much argueing between now and the end.. That I can forsee.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap

In conclusion, I cant believe this has last 3 pages. I thought the OP was joking when he posted the question due to how much arguing happens in the 10g Contest.

Ok I can't let this go anymore I was Joking, It would be neet to see how many people are building tanks in this size range and how they are doing things, but I am plugging along on my own as you saw by the posts in my other thread.

But now it has been interesting to see the different opinions on how a contest should be run

Steve

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

We'll have a friendly one, no money for entering, just bragging rights. and no silly price lists, what you pay is what it costs

Might as well just get everyone on canreef to post a picture right now and have a vote

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I think ideally it would be a 1 year long contest, with no water for the first 6 months. this would allow people to take there time and build/buy something that they actually want and really like.

And force those who want to get the tank established quickly to wait?? I don't get why we would make rules on when people can have water?? Factors like that change with the person and effect the result. People who rush getting water in could have way more growth in a year... others who like to take there time and plan might have a better design but a tank that is less filled out.

Originally Posted by sphelps

Also I think entry fees and prizes are a good thing, it will keep contenders interested and more likely to see the contest through to the end. Otherwise you'll have many contenders and very few finalists.

I agree... people already have a hard time posting pictures at the right time when there is prizes and they've paid... if you remove these it'll just get random and too hard to actually track the contest with out it essentially just turning into tank journal threads

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

all I am looking at is that the prices that are listed are not realistic, there is no way some one could get those prices on the island.

I think that was the idea... to have the prices the same for everyone to even the playing field. That way if your in a place with 20 lfs or 1 lfs you all get "the same pricing." They probably could have been a little more realistic but I don't think that was the main goal?? <<< but just because I understand the function of the current price list does not mean I think it's the best way to go about it.

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

why arn't you adding in the costs of the tank

I think it was because everyone would be deducting almost the same amount for the tank, sand, rock etc. I mean we could include all those prices but like you said...the budget couldn't be $395 but it would increase by essentially the same amount for everyone... I mean how much of a difference are you going to pay for rock in a ten gallon?? tank $20, sand $10, rock $80, magnet cleaner $14, thermometer $10 etc. = $134 ok so the Budget is now $529 and everyone is at ____ + $134. Everyone knows the tank cost money but do we really need to include it in the budget when they're all the same?? Plus the the budget should not be the main focus... it's there to kinda help keep things even but it's not the focus so why would it matter if common factors are removed... I guess this is all coming down to how you view the function of the budget??

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I do agree that there has to be something to prevent rich people (which I am definatly not one of) from going out and just getting a turn key package, so maybe some rules on stuff you have to do yourself, like you have to make your own stand. Cannot start with a reef ready tank, ect..

Sounds like your catering the contest to what you think is best for you?? That's life... some people have more money. You can't discriminate because they do... then your just leaving them at a disadvantage because you don't like what life handed you... but hey if it handed you money and not diy skills tough luck guess you can't play??

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

that is the reason I was thinking of 6 months befor you even have to have water in it to give pour people time to save for what they want to do and to allow time for other people to clean out there garage to a point where they can actualy build there stand hehe

Same deal sounds like your catering the contest to your needs... my garage is clean... but hey I'll wait 6 months to put water in because you need to clean your work space??

Originally Posted by moldrik

Why instead of setting up a limit on budget, set a limit on other things such as:

Ammount of LR/LBS
Ammount of Substrate/LBS
Ammount of Inverts
Ammount of Fish
Ammount of Corals / Category ( SPS, etc.. )

Like others have said, the limit on the price is something that doesn't regulate properly due to a huge variation. If price "needs" to be taken into consideration, then a big enough buffer needs to be established to take into consideration in order for a decent tank to be created in a city where things are expensive.

Why should a contest's motivation/bottleneck be people trying to find the cheapest possible second-hand hardware/livestock VS. being creative with the things that they could possibly achieve when creating a tank in a certain category?

Agreed.... there should be general guidelines on what amounts you can have... prices should have to be posted in detail but there should be no limit on the budget. If people want to vote for a tank because it's the nicest for the money spent fine!

The way I see it there should be rules (picture post requirements etc.), entry fees, there should be prizes, there should be general guidelines on quantities allow to keep the tanks in the same field, but other than that you should just have to post ALL of your prices. If someone has more money so what that's life... we want to restrict what people spend to have the illusion that we can make the nicest tank?? It's a hobby that cost A LOT of money and the more you have the nicer your tank CAN be... but it still takes more than money. Just my $1.52

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

Ok I can't let this go anymore I was Joking, It would be neet to see how many people are building tanks in this size range and how they are doing things, but I am plugging along on my own as you saw by the posts in my other thread.

But now it has been interesting to see the different opinions on how a contest should be run

Steve

ahah got me... I was like are you kidding me... this is going to get so ridiculous

[mike31154]

contest, schmontest