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Old 06-04-2008, 04:16 AM
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I can't find any pictures on the web of the Dinoflagellates that plague aquariums, but I don't see anything that looks like flagella on those cells. Could it be an algae?

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Old 06-04-2008, 05:19 AM
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Seachem phosguard is very effective at removing phosphate. The problem is that it is aluminium-based (as opposed to iron-based like GFO) and there are reports of corals reacting adversely to it. You can mail-order GFO in bulk from several sources including one of the site sponsors, bulkreefsupply.com.

Hmmm... well, Poop!
Ok, maybe I'll order it, tho if I were to go in friday it would probably get here sooner... is it all corals? i have mostly SPS and softies, only one LPS (hammer) I'll look into it. I should have bought the rowaphos when i was in town last! I had it in my hand!! But i grabbed the phosGuard because it came in little convenient ready-to-go bags and I was in a rush.... lol oh well.


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I can't find any pictures on the web of the Dinoflagellates that plague aquariums, but I don't see anything that looks like flagella on those cells. Could it be an algae?

Cool pictures!
I know that I didn't see any flagella either but due to the depth of field once i got it up to 10x100 it was very hard to make ANYthing out in detail. i should have stained a sample, when looking at other samples that's the only time I can photograph flagella. Maybe I'll try a stained slide tomorrow.


On a side note, I've gotten a tentative ID of Prorocentrum lima here is a picture from the web:

I'm not seeing such a clearly defined central organ in my pics ut it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that they were at least in the same family.
I don't see any flagellum on these either. Perhaps they are very tiny? or the name is misleading?

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Old 06-04-2008, 10:22 AM
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I had it once and turned out the lights for a week plus stopped feeding and used phosphate drops to eliminate whatever phosphate was in the tanks and it disappeared and hasn't been back since. I initially tried water changes and that just seemed to fuel it more and from what I've read water changes are a bad idea cause the dinos will feed on the new trace elements in the salt. I basically starved it off from all the major areas it thrives light, phosphates and lack of trace elements and worked quite well for me.
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:25 AM
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I've also heard it can be seasonal similar to a red tide kind of thing and usually comes about in the spring but not sure how true that is. Mines started in spring and would be curious to know when everyone elses started
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Hey - tagging along because I seem to have the very same problem!

Just to get the treatment correct.......
1. syphon as much out as possible with a water change.
2.lights out for 3-4 days?
3. slowly reaquaint tank with lighting
4. does a person do another big water change after lights out?????
5. GFO of some sort - assuming using a phosban reactor is much better than a bag - how often would you change out the media?????
6. run carbon - dino's release toxins?????? makes snails unhappy - I know mine are not in good shape - how often would you change out the media?????

I am asking if these steps are correct - so I can do this. Tried 3 days without lights, but did not wrap the tank - so there was ambient light - did not help much - maybe a little. - going to try it again with more aggressive use of phosban and carbon.
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Old 06-04-2008, 05:04 PM
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This is bugging me now, I can't seem to find where I read that the aquarium pest variety have a whip-like tail that they use to propel themselves through the water during the dark hours.

In my searching I did come across this article by Ron Shimek

From it:
"The Sarcomastigophora is a large group comprised of organisms that move either by flagella or pseudopodia, or both. One of the interesting properties of flagella is that the long process or “hair” that is the visible essence of this structure (there are other internal, typically invisible, subcellular structures connected to the hair) may be withdrawn into the body of the organism. Thus, the organism may have a flagellum at one moment and lack one at some other time."

From what I gather, there are a lot of organisms that produce the "bubbly brown snot" or "cyano with bubbles" type of crud. Eradication procedure would be the same for all of them IMO
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:01 AM
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Well, so far so good kids, couple'a losses (noticed an empty cerithsnail shell, my yellow wrasse is MIA andI think my bird's nest is on it's way out) and the 'nem is stressed - it's split in two, but the tank looks WAY better for now....now to deal with the issue of what's causing it....


I won't be able to make it over to Vancouver this week so I'm still on the fence about throwing the seachem phosguard in there (risking the corals) or just mail-order something in *shrug* I was really hoping to get to town tomorrow but it's not going to work out, shoulda just ordered when it first started!!

Maybe I'll try to take a picture of it tomorrow.

As to the tagger-alonger(whoisinpower): how's it going with your tank?
Reefer Rob: I know, I know! I keep lookin' for tails....the latin's tellin' me there ought'a be

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