Non smoking laws Dictatorship??

hillbillyreefer · #1 05-01-2008, 07:02 PM

Why not just get rid of socialized medicine. If fat smokers had to pay their own healthcare costs there would be a huge incentive for them to quit smoking and go for a walk. There is no such thing as personal responsibility left in this country. Whenever something goes wrong everyone says "The government needs to do something." What the government (WE are supposed to be the government) needs to do is quit acting like our nannies, run the legal, and infrastructure system, look after national defense, and go away.

We are in Canada though so the government needs to be all things to all people. I know I can leave if I don't like it.

Pier Pressure · #2 05-01-2008, 07:53 PM

So instead of a dictatorship, the 51% majority steps into the place of a single dictator. Not much difference there. People are still trying to run others' lives under the guise of "what is good for your health". People should have the freedom to choose, and businesses should have the freedom to choose.

I mean, lets face it, terrorists probably tell their children to blow themselves up in the interest of "what is good for your health in the next life".

Just keep chipping away at personal freedoms. And then when they find out that something YOU are addicted to or enjoy is "not good for your health" - you can join in on the other side of the coin.

Parker · #3 05-01-2008, 08:29 PM

I think this is being blown a tad out of proportion. Smoking is being banned not because it's hazardous to the smoker’s heath, smoking is being banned because it's bad for the non-smoking publics health. You can't really make comparisons to obesity. I can sit beside you and watch you plow 15 hamburgers into your mouth everyday and it would have zero affect on my health. Unless I can be disgusted to death. Where as If I sat beside you while you smoked a pack a day my heath would be significantly affected.

It's my god given right to fire off a few rounds. Do you want me doing it in the vicinity of your children? Nope, that's why it's illegal inside city limits. ( no I don't own a firearm - just an example )

dsaundry · #4 05-01-2008, 08:08 PM

I like the "No Smoking" rules, but when is the government going to really tax the crap out of the tobacco industry and the fast food industry. The answer is they won't. It is both industries that are major contributors to the health issues faced by most individuals faced with smoke or weight related issues. Smoking is an addiction, no doubt about it, I think the fast food industry creates food addictions as well. IMO. It is the society we have all created, before it used to be advertising by the tobacco industry stating how cool it was to smoke, then the fast food industry came along and geared their product to the fast paced youth of the day. Try going into any fast food restaurant and look at the people in there...nuff said. Watch the movie "Supersize me". Don't hold your breathe about the government doing anything because it boils down to one thing.. "MONEY" Nothing else, as most of the players are major contributors to all the goverments in one way or another. So until we have politicians in this country who can't be bought or actually are able to fight the system and they would have to have some major sized kahona's to do that, it will probably not change very much. As a famous comedian said, "I don't want to go off on a rant here" but really whether you are or are not a smoker or a fast food junkie we all contribute in one way or another. If there was no market for it, it wouldn't be around plain and simple. So until everybody in the world says NO, it will be here for a long time.... I can make my personal choices of whether I go to a fast food restaurant or a pub that allows smoking. But I can't tell my neighbor to quit smoking or drinking. Whether its for his/her own good or not. So if you smoke, I hope you quit for your own health, if you frequently eat fast food I hope you quit or at least cut back for your own health. Have a great day people.

Aquattro · #5 05-01-2008, 08:25 PM

I hate rules. I think the government should p*** off. I have a parking ticket from them on my desk right now. Screw them!! I should be able to park where I choose, when I choose. I didn't elect them to give me tickets. Another thing. Heroin. I want to sell it, but they won't let me. Some stupid rule about selling drugs. Well, I'm only trying to sell to my user friends, and they WANT me to sell it. Why can't I do this?? Stupid 51% dictatorship. I wouldn't have voted for them if I knew I couldn't sell drugs. I'd even meet in the middle and sell coke, but no, same rule applies. I don't get it. They grow pot and sell it, and I can't sell heroin??? WTF? I could sell you a Big Mac, but not smack. Is there a difference?? I think not. That's just me though.
And I don't want to dwell on things, but this peeing on the sidewalk thing, it's kinda got me going. Whyt can't I just whip it out and pee anywhere I want? Ok, the women prolly voted against it, but really, if people don't want to look at it, they can just close their eyes. It has no direct health risks, well, unless they touch it. So?? No, stoopid gov won't let me. It's a law they say. Same with smoking and heroin. More laws. When will all these laws end?? Do we really need them?? I say NO!!! I think I gotta move somewhere I can smoke my heroin anywhere I want and pee on anyone that complains about it. Suggestions anyone??

banditpowdercoat · #6 05-01-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro

I hate rules. I think the government should p*** off. I have a parking ticket from them on my desk right now. Screw them!! I should be able to park where I choose, when I choose. I didn't elect them to give me tickets. Another thing. Heroin. I want to sell it, but they won't let me. Some stupid rule about selling drugs. Well, I'm only trying to sell to my user friends, and they WANT me to sell it. Why can't I do this?? Stupid 51% dictatorship. I wouldn't have voted for them if I knew I couldn't sell drugs. I'd even meet in the middle and sell coke, but no, same rule applies. I don't get it. They grow pot and sell it, and I can't sell heroin??? WTF? I could sell you a Big Mac, but not smack. Is there a difference?? I think not. That's just me though.
And I don't want to dwell on things, but this peeing on the sidewalk thing, it's kinda got me going. Whyt can't I just whip it out and pee anywhere I want? Ok, the women prolly voted against it, but really, if people don't want to look at it, they can just close their eyes. It has no direct health risks, well, unless they touch it. So?? No, stoopid gov won't let me. It's a law they say. Same with smoking and heroin. More laws. When will all these laws end?? Do we really need them?? I say NO!!! I think I gotta move somewhere I can smoke my heroin anywhere I want and pee on anyone that complains about it. Suggestions anyone??

LMAO, Lets move to CUBA

Aquattro · #7 05-01-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by banditpowdercoat

LMAO, Lets move to CUBA

Been there, they have too many laws. I had a soldier point a machine gun at my head. Not so much fun

Joe Reefer · #8 05-01-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro

Been there, they have too many laws. I had a soldier point a machine gun at my head. Not so much fun

Too bad the Virgle project was a hoax.

pulik · #9 05-01-2008, 09:22 PM

Hope that eventually smoking will be completely banned in all public places, indoor and out. Indoor, for the health of the non-smokers, and outdoor in view of the litter. Beside the fact that some smokers can knock your socks off with a blast of "fragrance", I used to abhore having to pick up handfulls of cigarette butts before setting up my stall at the Farmers' Markets. And, where I've traveled in Europe recently, the butts along the streets, tram lines, subways, on the railroad, everywhere, is just disgusting! The gravel between the train tracks is literally white with butts. Personally, I'd really rather not see our great outdoors become a nuisance ground filled to the rafters with cigarette butts.
...But, that's just me.....

Pier Pressure · #10 05-01-2008, 09:31 PM

Aquattro, I believe there is a safe injection site in Vancouver where you can do exactly what you want! I am hoping you are just joking to make a point, though.

I am not so much against the anti smoking laws as against the government having anything to do with the removal of any personal freedoms.

What is next? If you smoke at home and you have children that smell it, you will be labelled a child abuser, have your children taken away, and be thrown in jail? I know this is an extreme example but the buck has to stop somewhere.

As to the litter associated with smoking, this is only going to get worse because people are smoking outside the bars and leaving butts everywhere.

And I am sick and tired of the pick-up lines and come-ons I have to face when I stop at my local grocery store after work because the parking lot is full of drunken morons from the bar. Being intoxicated in public is supposed to be illegal as well.