Pet Store Supports Puppy Mills

[Ephraim]

Also Reef Raf, i noticed you used the phrase "reputable breeder" in your last post. Saying that Wolf may end up being a reputable breeder. According to you this is not possible. Earlier, i tried to get you to clarify your views on the phrase "reputable breeder" by saying....

"So reef_raf, by your rational, no matter the caliber of a dog breeder and the amount of care the put into producing healthy, happy puppies conforming to breed standards, if they sold thier litter to a pet store they would cease to be a reputable breeder? This one feature will erase all other indications of a good reputation?"

You replied to this by saying, "Yes, exactly. Now you're getting my point. Good breeders do not sell to pet shops, they just don't."

So how could Wolf ever become a repuatable breeder having sold his dogs to a Pet Store? You seemed fairly absolute in your statement. I am confused, I do read the posts and you don't seem to make much sense.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Ephraim

I am confused,.

And there is the problem. Now, I said a reputable breeder does not sell to pet stores. Wolf sold to pet stores, and that, IMO, disqualifies him as a reputable breeder. He has since stopped doing that. Now my last phrase was that in time, he may or may not become a reputable breeder. If he continues breeding, and gains a good reputation, he could become a reputable breeder. And he no longer sells to pet stores, which meets one of the criteria. While he did sell, then no, he did not meet my definition of "reputable". That can change.
Now please stop trying to twist all of this for the sake of arguing.

[Aquattro]

Anyway, I'm done with this thread, me and my pound puppy are going for a run at the lake. You and your dogs have a great weekend!!

[Ephraim]

but you agreed that "This one feature will erase all other indications of a good reputation?"

So the reputable breeder vs non-repuatable breeder argument is not as absolute as you would have previously indicated?

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Ephraim

but you agreed that "This one feature will erase all other indications of a good reputation?"

So the reputable breeder vs non-repuatable breeder argument is not as absolute as you would have previously indicated?

did you see my last post?? My dog is bouncing at the door. Gotta run. Agree with me. Don't agree with me. Don't care. Take your dog to the park. Have a great day.

[Ephraim]

sorry i missed it, have a great weekend. I'm more of a cat person.

Now I have done my research, years of it.
We need to be very careful of the words we choose!
This is an intresting thread. I would like to point out a few things though. When you use the term "puppy mill" you are enpowering a movement of animal rights activists that are lobbying (to be political) for the complete liberation of animals. They made up the term! No more animals of any type in any sort of way are to be kept by humans. No more hamburgers, no more medical advancment, no more guide dogs for the blind, no more puppies in the window, no more FISH, no more CORAL. Everytime you use that term as a way of defining a sub standard breeding facility you are helping to support their mandate.

I would also like to touch on another point quickly. Everyone seems so eager to support the Humane Society (S.P.C.A) As I do as well and I would agree that it is better to have them then not, however the SPCA works with the AFAC (Alberta Farm Animal Care), in an effort with ALPS (Alberta Livestock Protection System) in an effort to HELP feed lots and factory farms in Alberta reconize the importance of husbandry of the animals. Hypocritical? The very idea that they can be associated with this type of industry and yet be looked at as a moral staring point for animal rights folks just blows my mind!

Anyway I am new here and there is tons of cool things in here! Great job!

[fishoholic]

Originally Posted by reef_raf

And there is the problem. Now, I said a reputable breeder does not sell to pet stores. Wolf sold to pet stores, and that, IMO, disqualifies him as a reputable breeder. He has since stopped doing that. Now my last phrase was that in time, he may or may not become a reputable breeder. If he continues breeding, and gains a good reputation, he could become a reputable breeder. And he no longer sells to pet stores, which meets one of the criteria. While he did sell, then no, he did not meet my definition of "reputable". That can change.
Now please stop trying to twist all of this for the sake of arguing.

Do you feel like you're banging your head on a wall, I know I would if I was you! I hoped you had a nice walk with your dog, and thanks for stating the obvious.