FS Clarion Angelfish - One of two in Canada

PHCorrect · #1 02-19-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Murminator

Gorgeous fish.....wasn't one of these was it?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ng/photo2.html

These were collected in mexico buy a person with Mexican passport and imported and approved by US Fish and Wild Life.

Pure Legit.

#2 02-21-2008, 12:28 AM

As someone mentioned these fish use to be more abundant, They were still expensive, but not to the same degree... I brought in a couple of them years ago... I think a more acurate statement would be that your specimin is one of 2 "recently" imported into Canada. They have been in Canada for years... not a common species, but they are around....
pretty fish!

danny zubot · #3 02-22-2008, 04:20 AM

If i buy it will people in Calgary pay $50.00 a pop to come over and see it?

All jokes aside, I hope for the sake of this species that it remains an elusive catch. Maybe one day one will land in Calgary for my viewing pleasure.

#4 02-22-2008, 05:48 AM

are comments being deleted? just wondering...
cheers!

PHCorrect · #5 02-22-2008, 02:42 PM

Shame on the operators of Canreef. Surpressing the right to rebut and someones free speach. There was no dirty language in the statement which was nothing short of great debate material.

Any ways my rebutle simply stated that I belive the above comments are inacurate. Fact is, this is probably one of two which are (legally) present in Canada.

If we agree to disagree that is fine. I would be curious to find out if there are any in Canada and see some more images of this beauty.

Watch it Canreef you are bording on surpressing on peoples rights!

PHCorrect · #6 02-22-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by danny zubot

If i buy it will people in Calgary pay $50.00 a pop to come over and see it?

All jokes aside, I hope for the sake of this species that it remains an elusive catch. Maybe one day one will land in Calgary for my viewing pleasure.

You might need an Orca Whale and some other attractions. The Vancouver aquarium seems like a bargain at that price.

Chin_Lee · #7 02-22-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PHCorrect

Shame on the operators of Canreef. Surpressing the right to rebut and someones free speach. There was no dirty language in the statement which was nothing short of great debate material.

There is a big difference between a personal attack and a debate. Your post was nothing more than a personal attack and you did not debate anything.

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Originally Posted by PHCorrect

Any ways my rebutle simply stated that I belive the above comments are inacurate. Fact is, this is probably one of two which are (legally) present in Canada.
If we agree to disagree that is fine. I would be curious to find out if there are any in Canada and see some more images of this beauty.

This tone and statement is debatable material; your deleted post was not.

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Originally Posted by PHCorrect

Watch it Canreef you are bording on surpressing on peoples rights!

Free speech is a right and is very much encouraged. Because this is a privately owned board, when you signed up and agree to be a member on this board, you have also agreed to the member agreement within which also has a set of rules. If you now disagree with the member agreement, please send me a PM to discuss the status of your membership.

PHCorrect · #8 02-23-2008, 03:20 PM

Chin

I think you are good person and by no means did I intend a personal attack to underworldaquatics. I was just defending a statement that was basically saying I was a liar. Now that is where the personal attack took place. He does say "years ago" and I was saying if it was less than 10 or so then they were probably brought in illegally. And it would be doubtful if any were still alive. I also suggested that it would be worthwhile seeing some of the ones that are in Canada. When I see this, I will stand corrected and full apologies will be given.

If people read the Clarion thread on ReefCentral they will see all kinds of information on the illegal collection and importation of this species and others.

Illegal collection is just plain wrong and the time frame underwater brought them in suggests his were illegal when compared with the information from Cortez Marine (Steve) who is the person who holds the Mexican passport and legally collected and distributed this recent batch of Clarions.

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Originally Posted by Chin_Lee

There is a big difference between a personal attack and a debate. Your post was nothing more than a personal attack and you did not debate anything.

This tone and statement is debatable material; your deleted post was not.

Free speech is a right and is very much encouraged. Because this is a privately owned board, when you signed up and agree to be a member on this board, you have also agreed to the member agreement within which also has a set of rules. If you now disagree with the member agreement, please send me a PM to discuss the status of your membership.

Chin_Lee · #9 02-23-2008, 04:15 PM

The legality on previously imported Clarions would be a great debate and a great debate is set by the tone, content, knowledge and appropriate reference of the material. When a contradiction or disagreement on a debatable topic is produced, request for more information or produce more information to reinforce your side; but a disagreement does not make either side a liar.
Most if not all of us will agree that illegal collection is wrong. Fortunately for the customs officers who enforce these regulations, these cases are very easy to convict on. By simple possession and the prerequisite of declaration of the species (which is often false if illegally collected) makes it very easy to show mens rea (intent) to import illegally caught species. The unfortunate part is the ratio of customs officers to shipments; they just can't physically inspect everything that goes through. If they are required to inspect ALL shipments that go through, we will never get any of our livestock alive. Another factor against the customs officers is knowledge; very little number of them have good knowledge on the different species of fish, birds, reptiles, or mammals by plain visual inspections.
I'm not familiar with importation laws but the statute of limitations on summary conviction offences are 6 months and there is no limitations on indictable offences.

#10 02-22-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderWorldAquatics

As someone mentioned these fish use to be more abundant, They were still expensive, but not to the same degree... I brought in a couple of them years ago... I think a more acurate statement would be that your specimin is one of 2 "recently" imported into Canada. They have been in Canada for years... not a common species, but they are around....
pretty fish!

Ive been in the industry awhile.... I stand by this post....
Cheers!