My octopus Otto

bulletsworld · #1 03-27-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rudy

I am not saying go out and get an octopus to everyone nor justifying my position on having one. I just know that mine is happier at my house, then the ones in the dim sum tray I had the other day. .

:| You do have a point there. :| You eat em too! :|

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Originally Posted by rudy

As far as your last comment, I am sorry that me having an octopus offends you, but don't read the post then. It will help you hide your internal frustrations with others doing what you don't agree with.

Perhaps your right.

justinl · #2 03-27-2007, 06:51 PM

I must agree with bulletsworld that keeping octopuses is an iffy subject. Not nearly as bad as blue ribbon eels or moorish idols, but still not stellar either. I say this because keeping them in home aquariums inevitably shortens their lifespan (more than other fish). Still, if the owner is responsible, does his research in advance, and takes VERY GOOD care, then im okay with it.

I don't think anyone should be saying sorry here for having their own opinions or sharing them.

with proper explanation the comment attached to the video is clearer and not offensive i think. taping an animal that is actually dying is a different matter altogether.

"They are very intelligent and even get depressed. It's really sad." I agree that they are intelligent but to go so far as to say they are sad is anthropomorphic. There is no proof of octopuses having defined emotions. I won't deny that they have their urges and responses such as "im hungry" or "grrrrr" but emotional responses are a different matter altogether.

but hell, what do i know?

bulletsworld · #3 03-27-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by justinl

"They are very intelligent and even get depressed. It's really sad." I agree that they are intelligent but to go so far as to say they are sad is anthropomorphic. There is no proof of octopuses having defined emotions. I won't deny that they have their urges and responses such as "im hungry" or "grrrrr" but emotional responses are a different matter altogether.
but hell, what do i know?

You have a very good question...

Do octopuses get depressed? This is a valid query, as I've read that they may be equal to dogs and cats in intelligence (though the mechanism of this intelligence, is quite different from those of mammals).

I seen a show which indicated that fish have an increased endorphin level after they are caught and before they die, suggesting that they do feel pain when hooked. An Octopus being (I presume) more intelligent than fish, and displaying emotions so vividly with color changes, I would conclude that they can experience a feeling analogous to depression, triggering the pattern of autophagy ("self eating").

Thoughts?

untamed · #4 03-28-2007, 05:22 AM

This thread is headed for that dark place where people have very strong opinions on whether or not animals..fish..dogs...octopus...whatever...are capable of "Feeling" things in the same way that human beings do.

justinl · #5 03-28-2007, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by untamed

This thread is headed for that dark place where people have very strong opinions on whether or not animals..fish..dogs...octopus...whatever...are capable of "Feeling" things in the same way that human beings do.

true that. rudy, any updates on otto?

rudy · #6 03-28-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by justinl

true that. rudy, any updates on otto?

Yes, he told me he stubbed his tentacle climbing out of the barnicle last night and is also depressed that there are no chicks in his neighborhood.

JK he is doing well.

BC564 · #7 03-28-2007, 02:31 PM

I have to say...those are some pretty cool video's you posted....glad to see the little fella have perked up

G1GY · #8 03-30-2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rudy

Yes, he told me he stubbed his tentacle climbing out of the barnicle last night and is also depressed that there are no chicks in his neighborhood.

JK he is doing well.

Great vids Rudy!

BTW, there's nothing wrong with refering to Otto as "dying". As a matter of fact, anything that is living is always getting closer to dying. This would include all of us.

Any of us that keep part of the ocean in a glass box in our home should try to make a point to never even think about being critical of what someone else is doing in their box.

I hope you post more of these great vids.

Thanks for sharing.