Planted tank substrate suggestions?

andsoitgoes · #1 01-30-2007, 07:38 PM

Eco Complete is one of my fav substrates to use, it has a great look and lasts for quite some time to provide nutrients. Most people I've spoken to do not need extra root supplements like laterite in their eco complete - dosing with a PMDD (Poor Man's Dosing Drops) is generally sufficient.

What Kryten says is pretty much the truth though, good lighting is very important. But you have to make certain that you're adding in CO2 and Macro/Micro nutrients atop that to ensure you've got a well fed system.

Do that, and you're solid gold

Delphinus · #2 01-30-2007, 08:39 PM

Thanks. Yeah, understand about the lighting. The plan for now is to use 2x65W PC since that's what I have, but was thinking of looking at T5 down the road. 2x65W is what I have over my current FW and it's OK (I mostly just have Anubias and Java fern anyhow at the moment .. a couple other things I can't ID). Tank is same height so I'm hoping to get away with it for now.

Today I'm mostly just concerned with the substrate selection, since the tank is empty now, now is a good time time to get the bottom right, then I can build up from there.

Carlos68 · #3 02-01-2007, 03:39 PM

I just used eco complete on my 135. Normally I just use a normal gravel substrate with Jobesticks added. However, this time I wanted to try Eco complete. So far, the results are positive. The plants are doing great, including the dwarf hairgrass. It looks great with the black eco complete and no more adding extra ferts to the substrate.. *well, besides giving the swords and such some extra ferts*

IMO, try the eco complete, its worth it. But...shop around for the best deal

Delphinus · #4 02-01-2007, 03:43 PM

Cool, think that's what I'm going to do then (just use Eco-Complete). I'm not sure if two bags will be enough, we'll see when it comes time to fill the tank if I need a third bag or not. I'm just waiting on my heater controller to arrive before setting the cable heater in and getting the subtrate in and filling the tank. Hopefully within the next day or two..

Carlos68 · #5 02-01-2007, 04:58 PM

I thought I had enough for my tank...f our bags... WRong..LOL... ended up putting in another 2...and could still use more.

Might want to make sure you get a third bag, just to be safe. Remember, do not rinse the eco complete, just open the bag and dump in the gravel and the water that is in the bag. It's Liquid amazon.

StirCrazy · #6 02-02-2007, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andsoitgoes

dosing with a PMDD (Poor Man's Dosing Drops) is generally sufficient.

I used to dose a cup a day of that and I still couldn't grow algae LOL

Steve

Dale · #7 02-02-2007, 05:08 AM

Another benefit to Eco Complete is that it tends to hold the roots better than Laterite. That being said I have also had good success using crushed granite (chicken grit) at $8 / 50lb. bag at Buckerfields
Tony, are you planning other plants than Anubias and java ferns? Both of those do better unplanted (grown over driftwood or rocks) as their roots tend to rot otherwise.
Both are lower light plants though and easy to grow. I've even grown them under normal fluorescents. Some other good low light plants are Tape grass (Valisneria spiralis) Contorted Tapegrass (Valisneria spiralis 'tortissima') Elodia (Egeria densa) Pearlgrass (Hemianthus micranthemoides) and Windelov fern (Microsorum pteropus 'windelov')

Here's my old 33G. with normal fluorescents and chicken grit:

Delphinus · #8 02-02-2007, 05:17 AM

I haven't thought that far ahead yet. What kind of lighting would 2x65w be considered over a 65g tank (2wpg)? Low or medium?

Dale · #9 02-02-2007, 05:55 AM

I think it depends on how serious you plan to be.
If you're not planning a Dutch or Amano style tank then you could probably consider it moderate; just don't go for the more high light demanding species. If you want to go all out then you are probably on the low end (how deep is the tank BTW).
When upgrading your lighting and adding fertilizers you also have to factor in CO2 dosing as well. You can run a balanced system and experience little algae growth with moderate lighting, fish waste and no CO2 injection but if you up the lighting and nutrient dose without aux CO2 you may run into nuisance algae blooms. Your plants just can't respire fast enough. I experienced this on my 140G. with 4X96w PC's/no CO2. Running all four lights was too much (hair and brush algae blooms) and I ended up running only two with much better results.

Here's the 140G.

Delphinus · #10 02-02-2007, 04:22 PM

Your tank is great looking. I enjoy seeing it everytime you post that picture.

The 65g is a 24" tall tank.

I think as soon as we start giving a method a name ("Dutch"/"Amano") then we're getting into an area that's going to require too much time to learn and maintain and stuff.

So I'd love a tank that looks *kinda* like yours with the textures and the 3d layering and stuff but I don't want to go off the deep end and find out I'm in over my head. At least for now, but if I can "grow into" it at a slower pace then that might be OK.