No warning?

seashells · #1 04-24-2006, 07:47 PM

Some of our LFS do have warnings posted. Let them know, it's a good idea.

OCDP · #2 04-24-2006, 07:51 PM

Well then! Good to hear there are warnings up. I guess I was thinking of Calgary LFS's in particular. I will ask or mention next time I'm in that they should put up a warning or just a note at very least near tanks with zoos in them... It is in the end, pretty dangerous stuff. Especially if your a newbie and your being very careless and not handling them with care, I'd assume your chance of becoming poisoned is greater? Anyhow.. good to hear that there are indeed warnings out there for some.

Willow · #3 04-24-2006, 08:12 PM

dude there is so much stuff in this hobby that could potentaly harm you where do you begin!

OCDP · #4 04-24-2006, 08:29 PM

I was talking in terms of livestock... yeah, we could go into the discussion of all the toxic fishies out there, etc.... and you could easily say "wheres the warning" ?

Anyways, I didn't want to start any kind of argument or debate. It was just a simple thought that came to mind. A warning would save a lot of grief, and would give reefkeepers both new and experienced a better understanding and without a doubt would handle these animals with much more care.

mark · #5 04-24-2006, 09:10 PM

Real world, liability drives a lot of practices. Maybe a LFS would not libel if someone was poisoned, therefore why put up a warning that could potentially cost a sale. Or maybe putting up a warning could be admitting they are aware of a potential hazard so why open that up.

OCDP · #6 04-24-2006, 09:21 PM

I guess in my mind when your potentially talking about someones life (or a dog's....) you'd think they'd forget dollars and start thinking logically. Nothing should prevent a sale if explained properly... wear gloves, be safe, handle with caution... all very simple things that IMO as a buyer, I'd be grateful for knowing. The risk is low, so if I was told this.. I don't think it would drive me away from buying it. I am being informed.. and that's what it's all about. Be safe, and you'll be A-OK

That's all it takes.

midgetwaiter · #7 04-24-2006, 10:06 PM

IMO, my *Personal* opinion only, is that these potential issues are not at serious as you might think from reading places like RC and such. There have been and handful of specific incidents that start to look like a big problem because they are referenced multiple times.

Nobody really understands much about Zoanthid toxicity, same as most other toxic or potentially toxic marine animals. Bad or incomplete information can be more dangerous than no information in certain ways.

If you want a good example of this, look at what happens with reptiles and "salmonella". There has never been more than a handful of cases of transmission between reptiles and humans and most of the confirmed cases can be linked to reptiles being fed uncooked poultry. I overheard a girl at Petland warn a little girl about the potential for a Red Foot Tortoise to give her salmonella on Saturday, it's a joke.

It's also used by groups like PETA to discourage people from reptile ownership. This is the part that really concerns me. I can't imagine sitting in customs waiting for them to magically determine which corals in my shipment are potentially toxic. I'm sure that would be a disaster.

If anyone knows of some comprehensive information concerning zoa toxicity I'd like to read them.

Snappy · #8 04-25-2006, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OCDP

I guess in my mind when your potentially talking about someones life (or a dog's....) you'd think they'd forget dollars and start thinking logically. Nothing should prevent a sale if explained properly... wear gloves, be safe, handle with caution... all very simple things that IMO as a buyer, I'd be grateful for knowing. The risk is low, so if I was told this.. I don't think it would drive me away from buying it. I am being informed.. and that's what it's all about. Be safe, and you'll be A-OK

That's all it takes.

I don't let my dog into my tank or handle my coral so I have never worried about that.

Quagmire · #9 04-25-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mark

Or maybe putting up a warning could be admitting they are aware of a potential hazard so why open that up.

My Father worked for the Court.This part reminded me of something he told me.He said if a dog owner has a sign saying Beware of Dog.It only means the owner is aware his dog may bite.If you're dumb enough to walk up to the fence and try to pet the dog,and get bitten.The owner might still be charged.

Not sure how it works with LFS,but maybe no warning is in thier best interest.

OCDP · #10 04-25-2006, 01:26 AM

I think Chad said it well, by no means am I saying that because there is no warning the LFS's are liable. That's definitely not what I'm getting at. I guess in short I'm hoping to get a "friendly heads up" posted so people have knowledge of potential dangers. But, when we're talking money , I can see why the LFS's wouldn't put them up.. I guess I'm trying to go in the opposite direction here... be friendly to your fellow reefers... put a little note up by the zoo's or something.. if you've explained properly and said it in a way so in the end the reefer is saying "just always wear gloves, and i'll be fine..." what's the big deal there? I wouldn't be chased away from buying them... I'd be thinking "damn, I'm sure glad I knew that...." Because that's probably what 99% of us said after reading the online articles. Not only is it good to wear gloves for zoanthids, but anything in the tank.. it's good to do in general. Not just for us, but all our corals... think of all the dirt and oils on our skin ..