Mayday! Clowns look terrible

[bulletsworld]

My guess would have been brooklynellosis, especially if mucus shedding. It's a nasty parasite, acts real fast to. Dropping salinity does nothing for this parasite. Only method of treatment is formalin baths, but its also nasty stuff to use and can be dangerous for fish as the warmer your water, the less formalin you use as both formalin & increasing temperature reduces the oxygen saturation of the water. In other words your fish will be screaming, "Must have...oxygen!" that’s before they collapse of course to their death. Every heard the saying sometimes the cure is worse then the disease. Well that's a good example of it here. Did I forget to mention Formalin is dangerous for human to. Has to be used in VERy ventilated area.

Originally Posted by Johnny Reefer

I QT'ed 2 Amphiprion ocellaris last month using Copper-Safe with no adverse effects. When I saw this post I ran to my bottle of Copper-Safe. (Say it ain't so!). Couldn't find the warning about clowns and Copper-Safe you speak of.
It is Mardel's Copper-Safe you are refering to? Cheers,

I have also used Copper-Safe on clowns many times without death. If you lost them it could have been may factors mainly the major one probably being to late.

I have read in the past claims that copper use with clowns could effect the reproduction in the fish, but has been no proof of this, that I know of. Knowing copper is made to be your last option in treatment cases anyway. But again you have to wonder if the cure is indeed worse then the disease/parasite.

Originally Posted by BCOrchidGuy

I've always been a fan of Cupramine, it's safe, it's effective and it's always in my cabinet. Doug

IMO, I am not a fan of Cupramine compared to CopperSafe. I have found myself that Cupramine seems to be more harsh on fish while treatment. But the main reason I'm not a fan of Cupramine is the way it falls out of solution making it so easy to over dose (happens alot) and requires A LOT of monitoring during the whole treatment time to keep the dose even & safe. Where as CooperSafe you can measure, dose, it does not fall out of solution and will stay in water for up to a month. Did I happen to mention as well, that Coppersafe is less then half the price compared to Cupramine.

[OCDP]

The whole disease treatment factor has really been bugging me lately. Im in the frame of mind that to treat a fish is just as cruel as picking them out from their natural homes. Would they need such treatment if they were not removed from their homes?

The whole disease concept has really been getting to me the last week or so. Why do we take these precious animals from the ocean and make them suffer all of these different diseases/treatments/procedures ? Makes ME think anyways.. don't know about you guys.

It just all seems sooooo wrong to me now lol I don't think a fish deserves to be put through half of what it is put through in this hobby. Having said that, I am hoping I don't have any more fish to purchase. Keeping my current livestock (hopefully) and no more fish purchases... will keep the fish I have happy and healthy as can be in captivity.

I think the bottom line is......... we're selfish . To some degree anyways.

[muck]

Originally Posted by OCDP

The whole disease treatment factor has really been bugging me lately. Im in the frame of mind that to treat a fish is just as cruel as picking them out from their natural homes. Would they need such treatment if they were not removed from their homes?

The whole disease concept has really been getting to me the last week or so. Why do we take these precious animals from the ocean and make them suffer all of these different diseases/treatments/procedures ? Makes ME think anyways.. don't know about you guys.

It just all seems sooooo wrong to me now lol I don't think a fish deserves to be put through half of what it is put through in this hobby. Having said that, I am hoping I don't have any more fish to purchase. Keeping my current livestock (hopefully) and no more fish purchases... will keep the fish I have happy and healthy as can be in captivity.

I think the bottom line is......... we're selfish . To some degree anyways.

not this again...

[OCDP]

lol well I must have missed it the first time around? Otherwise I wouldn't have said anything.... no one has to comment on it at all... just stating my opinion, that's all.

[Chad]

Personaly I have not lost a single fish due to disease. parasite or any other illness.

For the most part, all fish have parasits or "illness", its just that they are healthy enough to fight them off.

[Bob I]

Two gallon quarantine tank , with no method of biological filtration . Need I say more . You doomed your fish to a quick death. Period.

[BCOrchidGuy]

Yes I agree we are selfish, we try hard to keep fish and corals however, 20 years ago no one could keep coral or fish for the most part because not enough people did it and learned how. We are acting as an on going experiment and our experience helps those who follow in later years. Disease prevention, disease treatment, filtration, lighting, what we figure out will make a difference to someone in 20 years. That being said, Bob and I both had Rainsfords gobies at the same time, lovely fish, mine thrived while Bob's didn't. I assumed it was because of the number of pods in my aquarium but I found out later they need a heavy growth of filamentous algae, I didn't even know I had it????? Point is, with some precautions we can minimize the stress on the fish we choose to keep.

Doug