anybody using the jebao wp 40 or 25's

[msjboy]

here is a brief review of the wp25 ( older model .. 3 weeks older model...without the variable speed control; ones from Nick are with the speed control so no extra money needed for the variable voltage part ).

http://www.thespryminds.com/reviews/...ble-powerhead/

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by Bblinks

Look around bud, guarantee half of the stuff in your house hold is Chinese made....Good luck.

I'm sure it is, that's why I made a point of saying "if there's an alternative". Sometimes there's not, but when there is I'll put the Chinese product back on the shelf.

As mentioned, Chinese firms have big time quality control problems. That's one reason not to buy Chinese. For me at least, another reason is the blatant theft of everybody elses work. The amount of money western firms lose to Chinese reverse engineering every year is staggering. Where possible, I try to reward the businesses that put the time and effort into developing a quality product rather than rewarding businesses that steal other peoples work, assemble it in sweatshops and dump it into our markets.

Yeah, the Japanese and South Koreans built crappy stuff for a while too. But at least their firms respected the work of others and were bound by international intellectual property norms.

Where Chinese firms have made real innovation of their own and the quality seems ok, I don't mind buying. When it's just a cheap rip-off of someone elses hard work, I'll take the original.

Cheers,

[Reef Supplies]

On the topic....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzRPga6uDg

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Reef Supplies

On the topic....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzRPga6uDg

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I see no difference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw-zxJI1YOo

[The Guy]

Originally Posted by Reef Supplies

On the topic....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzRPga6uDg

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Why does this guy still work there!! what an idiot!!

[daniella3d]

your choice, go pay 3 times the price for something that's not even as good.

As for copy, you should stop bying kleenex, or always buy the kleenex brand because they all look pretty much the same to me, no matter the brand so some companies must have copied the original. Don't buy a refregirator either, or even a car. They all have 4 wheels, a body and en engine, so they were all copied on the first car ever made and invented.

The wp25 does look a bit like the Tunze but the ressemblance stop there...everything else is way better and have a much better design. I see it like this..if the Chineses can make such a good pump for so little, then why these companies did not make their pumps better then this?

Have you ever tried opening a tunze pump cover? Have you ever tried sliding the flow control gadget of the 6045 once it's been in the water for a few hours? VERY bad design! and why are they so weak that you must pay 200$ to have something strong enough for a 75 gallons? I think that many of these so called legit companies have been giving us too little for too much and if they did spent money on design, they could have produce a good design at least. I am talking about the tunze.

The wp25 is not an exact copy of the Tunze, it is way better. So suit yourself and buy the inferior product if you wish. I won't.

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

Where Chinese firms have made real innovation of their own and the quality seems ok, I don't mind buying. When it's just a cheap rip-off of someone elses hard work, I'll take the original.

Cheers,

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by daniella3d

your choice, go pay 3 times the price for something that's not even as good.

As for copy, you should stop bying kleenex, or always buy the kleenex brand because they all look pretty much the same to me, no matter the brand so some companies must have copied the original. Don't buy a refregirator either, or even a car. They all have 4 wheels, a body and en engine, so they were all copied on the first car ever made and invented.

The wp25 does look a bit like the Tunze but the ressemblance stop there...everything else is way better and have a much better design. I see it like this..if the Chineses can make such a good pump for so little, then why these companies did not make their pumps better then this?

Have you ever tried opening a tunze pump cover? Have you ever tried sliding the flow control gadget of the 6045 once it's been in the water for a few hours? VERY bad design! and why are they so weak that you must pay 200$ to have something strong enough for a 75 gallons? I think that many of these so called legit companies have been giving us too little for too much and if they did spent money on design, they could have produce a good design at least. I am talking about the tunze.

The wp25 is not an exact copy of the Tunze, it is way better. So suit yourself and buy the inferior product if you wish. I won't.

They can sell them for cheaper because they use ultra cheap labour, and stole the design so they don't have any research and development costs to recover. If the judge in the lawsuit finds them guilty of patent violation than buying their pumps is no different than buying equipment from someone who stole it from a warehouse. Theft is theft; doesn't matter if you like Tunze or not.

[spit.fire]

I've heard rumors of them exploding....

[The Codfather]

Originally Posted by spit.fire

I've heard rumors of them exploding....

Post a link....

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by donkey77

been hearing pretty good things about them, give vortec and tunze a good run, i know what your saying you pay for what you get, but there getting great reviews, anywhos just wondering

That line has long extinct from this hobby just like watt per gallon theory. It should be more like "you pay what you what". A KZ zeovit reactor is $300+ while a vertex zeovit reactor is $100+. Does that make vertex reactor bad? NO. You get a bubble king skimmer for $1000+ and a bubble magus skimmer for $100+. Does that make BM a bad skimmer? NO. You get a radion for $800+ and a evergrow LED for $200+. Does that make evergrow LED bad? NO (in fact I have heard people having more trouble with radions than evergrow). A vertex RODI costs $200 and a aquasafe costs $100. Does that make aquasafe bad? NO! It is not always the "price" that can judge a product. People just need to get over the fact that everyone in this hobby should buy expensive stuffs or never start it.

Coming back to your main part of the post. I use WP40 and am happy about it. The only thing that would have made it "perfect" is the speed control. And not every Chinese product leach. If that was true, the whole world would be in a pool filled with "leached" stuffs.