Flame angel... I give up...

[mikellini]

There comes a point where too much is too much. This is waaay past that point IMO. It's not like we're discussing adding one or two large tangs here; that stocking list is cramped no matter what the dimensions are, and would be heavy stocking in a 240 IMO

Also, if a coral beauty was added at the same time as the flame angel both times, how is it that you only have one? Did you remove and then re-add the same one?

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by mikellini

There comes a point where too much is too much. This is waaay past that point IMO. It's not like we're discussing adding one or two large tangs here; that stocking list is cramped no matter what the dimensions are, and would be heavy stocking in a 240 IMO

Also, if a coral beauty was added at the same time as the flame angel both times, how is it that you only have one? Did you remove and then re-add the same one?

No we are discussing adding a flame angel which is a fairly small fish . I'm not saying he's under stocked but I'm just curious how people base this off the
Only info which given was a gallon amount only.

So Based on what exactly though ?

So it comes down to gallons in your opinion right? 150 , 240 , 500 ...just numbers really and has no real interest into the fishes actual requirements do they?

Is the equivalent of 30 x 1" tangs any better or worse than 3 x 10" tangs

I get the moral part of adding fish to an aquarium ,even in general , but how do you base it off of gallons alone and what variables do the fish themselves offer?

[reefwars]

I guess it's all just personal opinion which is what i hd thought as no one has stated why one is more optimal then the other?

So is one persons personal opinion something we can make a user guideline off?

I doubt there is no real answer to this but only a person to person opion which I bet varies.

If I were to make a public pole asking what is better for a group of 10 x 4" tangs

What option do you think would win

72 x 72 x 20

Or a

144 x 30 x 20

Clearly e first one has more volume but 12 ft from the bobby point of view is a lot of swimming room and surely we all know from experience that 30" is great width...lots of good tanks out there with 20" in heit.

But by gallons the first is more , a lot more lol

[reefwars]

How about coral placement , liverock etc.

Is an empty 150g any better than one filled with rocks? If so how much worse is one that is only partially filled with rocks

I think a dimensions of tank , equipment rating and individual fish assessment is a much better way to determine if you have too many fish or not , not just gallon numbers which have little information unless we're dealing in ppm.

Is a circle any better than a triangle or a deep cube to a rectangle?

I also assume we're only talking about display size correct not total volume , so if a fish had a tunnel to. Swim to another tank do we count it s two 150g and treat as individuals or do we count it as 300g and treat as a 300g?

[intarsiabox]

It's not uncommon for the stresses of capture and shipment to kill a fish within the first couple weeks. If you can quarantine your new fish alone for 4 weeks in a hypo salinity environment it will be a great way to get the fish in tip top shape before adding him to a busy tank. Just remember to drip acclimate him over a couple hours before adding him to the DT. As for the fish that died after 2 months it's hard to say.

[mikellini]

I was basing my thoughts on the idea of water volume, not dimensions. I don't care how you stretch it, that's not enough gallons for the stock list

[burtonboi]

Originally Posted by mikellini

There comes a point where too much is too much. This is waaay past that point IMO. It's not like we're discussing adding one or two large tangs here; that stocking list is cramped no matter what the dimensions are, and would be heavy stocking in a 240 IMO

Also, if a coral beauty was added at the same time as the flame angel both times, how is it that you only have one? Did you remove and then re-add the same one?

Yes I removed the first one that nipped my corals. Then I added the second one along with the second flame.


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[reefwars]

Originally Posted by mikellini

I was basing my thoughts on the idea of water volume, not dimensions. I don't care how you stretch it, that's not enough gallons for the stock list

Yes I get that , but still it's an opinion that must have been based off something .....what was that something?

So how is it not enough gallons , what is enough gallons .... your obviously implying that gallons alone is enough to stack a list off of correct?


So what number is a good number for these fish and I'll make up a dimension , I'm sure I can squeeze it small enough that you would consider the dimensions to outweighs The gallons at some point right

For example a tank that is only 6" x 6" but is 500 ft long is this ample for a lot of fish or no?

That's about 935g but the poor fish only have 6" of space to swim in , but gallons wise I should be able to keep a small shark or ray.


I'm not saying there's room for extra fish or he's under stocked but like the rest of you I have very little info and at the end of the day gallons alone are a poor way to base an amount of fish off.

If we set up fifteen tanks and gave them to fifteen people and asked each to stock as many fish as they felt was fair and comfortable for the fish....do you think most would have the same numbers and sizes?

While I'm sure a lot will be similar they all will differ in how each person sees an aquarium , space and animals requirements and they will base their decision on that or at least let it be a factor in their decision.

So it's pure personal preference on how many fish you can have in a tank .

Does an Achilles tang deserve 120" of length or would he prefer a cube that has twice the amount of gallons then the 10ft of tank ?

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by reefwars

Does an Achilles tang deserve 120" of length or would he prefer a cube that has twice the amount of gallons then the 10ft of tank ?

Gonna go with the 10' for that guy

For me, it's simple. I read a list, I think nothing of it, or I do think something of it. This list, first thought was "wow, that's a lot of fish". So in this case, I think it's overstocked. Just because my mind made it up.

So, if anyone ever wonders if they have too many fish, PM me a list with tank size, and I'll see how my brain reacts. This is a FREE service

I don't need dimensions or size of fish or anything tangible, just a list and gallons. It's a gift I have, and I'm willing to share it.

[reefwars]

But that's just it

No one can tell you if your overstocked with any merit behind it If its based off of their personal opinion lol and if they did wouldn't you want to know what you were missing when you first added them? So basically I take some ones word that they say I'm overstocked...with no science behind the claims other than that's not enough gallons .

I don't know about anyone else but I'm not about to sell half my fish based on someone's moral feelings lol

I think I'm overstocked actually I'm sure of it lol ,my list isn't as big as his but does thAt really matter...overstocked is overstocked or is there a waaaay overstocked?

His tang is maybe 3" while mine are 8" but he has twice as many so where am I now in the math lol



I know there's no real answer but we can't really push our ideas of a stocked tank or overstocked tank based purely on personal preference can we , This is kinda like the bioload , we tell people their bioload is high but what is that really lol we tell people they are overstocked but what makes a tank overstocked in regards to gallons.....is it volume? Do fish even know what volume is ....


Only you can prevent forest fires....errr uh I mean decide what right for your tank based off e info you yourself have calculated