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![]() Can you share me some. Just in case my Atlantic ocean crash on me. I only know how to use paypal.
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Wow! That's Crazy! Why would you spend that much and go through all that trouble? ![]() |
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![]() Hi Mindy,
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ACUTE HEALTH EFFECTS Swallowed: Toxic if swallowed. Will cause burns to the mouth, mucous membranes, throat, oesophagus and stomach. If sufficient quantities are ingested (swallowed) death may occur. The methanol stabilizer in solutions is a cause of visual impairment and possible permanent blindness. Eye: Will cause burns to the eyes with effects including: Pain, tearing, conjunctivitis and if duration of exposure is long enough, blindness will occur. Skin: Toxic by skin contact. Will cause burns to the skin, with effects including; Redness, blistering, localised pain and dermatitis. The material is capable of causing allergic skin reactions and may cause skin sensitisation. Toxic effects may result from skin absorption.. Inhaled: Toxic if inhaled. Will cause severe irritation to the nose, throat and respiratory system with effects including: Dizziness, headache, in-coordination, chest pains, coughing, respiratory paralysis and or failure. It only takes 60 to 90ml of it ingested to kill a human. When you do a Formalin bath on a fish you are burning off the protective slime layer, burning it's eyes, mouth, gills, throat and stomach. With a FW bath non of these things occur. With a copper treatment the fish is exposed to 0.26mg/l of ionic copper. Fish can survive exposures over 0.45mg/l of ionic copper. Something else to consider is that 75% of the fish in this hobby have been cyanided when caught... so their lives are already shortened considerably. Exposing them to a little copper for a short time is not going to do to much, a lot less than the damage inflicted by the parasites. The problem with copper is that people don't generally have a reliable way of testing the concentration so they over/under dose. Sadly the fish usually dies either way. Cheers, Tim
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![]() Tim,
Hoomans are different than fishies, however in both copper damages liver and kidneys. In fish it also damages their gills and sense of smell which can implicate breeding behaviors. In hoomans, copper is linked to Alzheimer's Disease as well as liver damage (cirrhosis). Dwarf Angelfish are particularly sensitive to copper treatment, [Here's a study] as are scaleless fish, some large Angelfish, and some Tangs. Copper also binds with carbonates and precipitates out of the water column. If the pH drops (as is common for QTs) the precipitate will redissolve and cause a spike in copper large enough to be lethal. Copper is not compatible with Prime or AmQuel as those products will convert Cu+2 to Cu+ which is much more toxic and will often be lethal. Copper also stresses the fishes' systems enough that it can make the fish susceptible to other diseases. With formalin, the fish is only exposed for a short time (45 to 60 minutes). Formalin is compatible with AmQuel and Prime, although the addition of ammonia detoxifiers are not needed in a bath anyway. The toxicity of formalin doesn't change in reaction to pH (or alkalinity). There is a much bigger difference between the treatment range and the LC-50 of Formalin in comparison to copper. The LC-50 of formalin is many times the concentration of typical baths. [Here's a study] Formalin is also approved by the FDA to use as treatment for parasites on food fish, where copper is not. [FDA approved drugs] I've read a lot of studies on copper and formalin, and I have not come to my conclusions uneducated. ![]() Woah. That's quite the statement. I doubt you could support this statement with evidence...? How do you come to this conclusion? Last edited by Myka; 02-10-2012 at 02:13 AM. Reason: Grammar |
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Clownfish Collection: Normal Ocellaris, Black Ocellaris, Stubby Ocellaris, Tequillia Sunrise Ocellaris, Red Sea, Black Saddleback, Brown Camel, Orange Fin, Melanistic Clarkii, Common Clarkii, True Percula, True Picassco, Pink Skunk, Orange Skunk, Maldives Clown, TRUE Sebae clown, Akin Clown, Gold Striped Maroon, White Striped Maroon, Latezonatus |
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![]() I once read somewhere, that because wrasses are such gluttons, that they catch them with barb less hooks, and quite easily
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Is this 75%?? No idea, but I'm sure it's a lot higher than most people are aware...IMO ![]()
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![]() I have a friend from Bali that used to work as a fisherman for the aquarium trade. I asked him all about it years ago, and he confirmed that cyanide was still used there, although it was frowned upon even within the fishermen. He figured the number would be closer to 10%.
I think 75% is outrageously exaggerated. It would be nice if someone did an undercover analysis of the fish collection for the aquarium trade. We might learn all sorts of interesting (and scary) things... |
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