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Old 03-17-2010, 11:34 PM
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A friend of mine was a lab breeder and when puppies started coming back to her with epilepsy she checked back on her lines first and then investigated the stud breeder....they had managed to keep it hidden over 4 generations and when finally confronted they admitted that there was epilepsy in that line going back at least 6 generations.
Something like epilepsy is easier to hide then the more obvious hip displasia ect
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:37 PM
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Any way Howdy I would take a good backyard breeder who raises the puppies in the home and chooses a good tempered stud over a "show confirmation" breeder anyday
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:07 AM
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Not everyone can afford a pedigree pup. And more often than not the others including the Heinz 57's make a better pet.

Yes we want more puppy pictures. And hope you sell them all off Canreef. :lol


Hope the new litter is doing well and give ginger a pat from me for being an awesome little mommy.
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Old 03-18-2010, 02:06 AM
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i will take my 2 mutts before i would ever want one of those $1000 fancy dogs with all the health problems. The only problem with my 2 are that they have no slowdown buttons. Congrats on the litter hope all goes well
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Old 03-18-2010, 03:42 AM
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Congratulations on your pups! Not that you even need to hear one more opinion, but I think that what you're doing is great. Making sure to take good care of your pups and ask for some personal experiences is nice. The vet can give you so much info, but sometimes it's nice to hear some tricks and tips that other people may have. Again, congrats on the puppies and I know you are doing your best for them.

As far as all the "critics" go, it's definitely easier for them to stand on their pedestal. I didn't know that coffee discussions were the same as research and actual knowledge. And as far as "breed standards" go, so many of the breeds have been mutilated and changed that they are not even the same as when the breed was first created. The English Bulldog is a prime example of this. So, I'm not sure that Kennel Club Standards are the most positive model to aspire after anymore.

I have 3 dogs that I love very much. One being a rescue, one from a backyard breeder, and one from a registered breeder. They have all turned out to be amazing dogs, but not everybody is so lucky. As it's already been mentioned many times before, there can always be problems no matter where you find your puppy. And as long as we make our choice to be responsible pet owners, and breeders, we can all try to make the world a better place for us.

I also agree to the comment that mentioned 99.99% of us on this site rip critters from the ocean on a daily basis. If you feel that puppies and dogs do not belong in shelters, why do you feel that it's right to own a reef tank? I don't feel that your pedestal is well warranted.

Props to everybody for their positive comments and support. And to Neal, good work and good luck.
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So, I'm not sure that Kennel Club Standards are the most positive model to aspire after anymore.
Just so we're clear, I think kennel clubs are the worst thing that ever happened to dogs, exactly for the reasons you stated.
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i will take my 2 mutts before i would ever want one of those $1000 fancy dogs with all the health problems. The only problem with my 2 are that they have no slowdown buttons. Congrats on the litter hope all goes well
This is exactly why I paid a thousand for my dog so I would be guaranteed it would not have problems. I had to put my dog before this to sleep at 8 years (hip problems). I now have a dog that is guaranteed to not have those problems as I paid to make sure. So mutts are not always the way to go.
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Here are some more pics

a nice family portrait




a little porker


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A picture of the runt
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This is exactly why I paid a thousand for my dog so I would be guaranteed it would not have problems. I had to put my dog before this to sleep at 8 years (hip problems). I now have a dog that is guaranteed to not have those problems as I paid to make sure. So mutts are not always the way to go.
If life came with a guarantee always, that would be something. Life does not work that way. So because your dog has this guarantee and something goes wrong do you send it back and get a replacement??? You have chosen a pedigree for personnel reasons. You like the look, breed, whatever helped you decide that a pedigree was your cup of tea. Have owned a pedigree and she was just like every other one in her breed.

My 2 current dogs are mutts. They eat, sleep, play, protect me, bark and **** just like any pedigree pouch does. They may not look like the typical pure bred dog, but they have been wonderful companions and I would not trade them for anything.
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If life came with a guarantee always, that would be something. Life does not work that way. So because your dog has this guarantee and something goes wrong do you send it back and get a replacement??? You have chosen a pedigree for personnel reasons. You like the look, breed, whatever helped you decide that a pedigree was your cup of tea. Have owned a pedigree and she was just like every other one in her breed.

My 2 current dogs are mutts. They eat, sleep, play, protect me, bark and **** just like any pedigree pouch does. They may not look like the typical pure bred dog, but they have been wonderful companions and I would not trade them for anything.
No I agree there is never a for sure but with this dog I know that my odds are a lot less to have problems as he has a family health that goes back generations of not having these problems. I would never send him back but wanted the odds stacked in my favor this time.
My last three were mutts and they were great dogs as well. That being said I wanted one that I knew I would not have curtain problems with as well as I picked this dog for my life style.
Here is a picture of what happens when you take a dog hiking that has hip problems. This was his last hiking trip with me.
Not fun to carry a 130lbs dog out of the bush.
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