when are we going to have a

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

what I meen by this is that lets say I slap togeather a stand out of 2X4s and put some cheep plywood on it and leave it unfinnished (kinda like what you would do for a frag tank.

You mean like Ryan's? Who finished in a close second in the latest popularity poll. I don't think too many people are concerned about the stand, after all it's a tank contest not a stand contest. A stand is a nice feature and certainly adds to the tank but not so much in this kind of contest.

I'm not sure I really see the point in a limited budget. To keep rich people out seems like a silly reason and even a little offensive. I think anyone should be able to enter and if someone wants to spend the money on an AIO or reef ready setup why not let them? I don't see an advantage in that, after all not everyone is super DIY handy so why put them at a disadvantage? One could say the same about DIY projects, handy people have just as much of an advantage.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by sphelps

You mean like Ryan's?
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like Ryan's what? Stand? no I was talking about one I made for a frag tank.

[Pan]

Originally Posted by sphelps

You mean like Ryan's? Who finished in a close second in the latest popularity poll. I don't think too many people are concerned about the stand, after all it's a tank contest not a stand contest. A stand is a nice feature and certainly adds to the tank but not so much in this kind of contest.

I'm not sure I really see the point in a limited budget. To keep rich people out seems like a silly reason and even a little offensive. I think anyone should be able to enter and if someone wants to spend the money on an AIO or reef ready setup why not let them? I don't see an advantage in that, after all not everyone is super DIY handy so why put them at a disadvantage? One could say the same about DIY projects, handy people have just as much of an advantage.

Someone who can only by frags as opposed to someone who buys huge colonies, well...limit the contest to frag size only or something. If you have money you can make a tank look good. simple as that. Look at the japanese tanks where as soon as the coral looks bad they remove and put in another, it always LOOKS good, but there is no sustainability. I'm not saying that all japanese tanks are like that.
I agree with the DIY aspect as well. But agian, I have seen rich and poor with absolutely no sense of the aesthetic so...make a contest with multiple categories, best stock nano, best diy, best aquascape, best frag, best colony, best softy, best overall...whatever. Competition is not a good thing anyway...it makes a poor society

[Ryan_Lap]

Hey now, lets leave me out of this argument.

Seriously now, I think that if you guys want to do a contest with a budget thats over 1k, you wont get many people. Unless of course they wanted to set the tank up conveniently at the time the contest was starting. I had no intention of starting up a 10g ever, but the contest intrigued me. I also like the fact that its somewhat on a budget as I dont have oodles of cash to throw around.

As for the nano contest and the budget how it is.... Its not the best, but this is the first contest(and I have the feeling the only one) so things might not be perfect. There is so much bitching involved in everything having to do with this contest (and any ideas of contests) that I think it really deters and will deter people from entering any future ones.

In conclusion, I cant believe this has last 3 pages. I thought the OP was joking when he posted the question due to how much arguing happens in the 10g Contest.

Oh and PS, I dont think anybody cares what the stands really look like. Its all whats in the tank and the tank itself. I dont think too many people are judging me on my living room decore and furniture?

[Ryan_Lap]

[JDigital]

This is funny... Contest hasn't even been started and there are disagreements already.

I think alot of things got ironed out *roughly* in the 10G contest, and really, there shouldn't be much argueing between now and the end.. That I can forsee.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap

In conclusion, I cant believe this has last 3 pages. I thought the OP was joking when he posted the question due to how much arguing happens in the 10g Contest.

Ok I can't let this go anymore I was Joking, It would be neet to see how many people are building tanks in this size range and how they are doing things, but I am plugging along on my own as you saw by the posts in my other thread.

But now it has been interesting to see the different opinions on how a contest should be run

Steve

[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

Ok I can't let this go anymore I was Joking, It would be neet to see how many people are building tanks in this size range and how they are doing things, but I am plugging along on my own as you saw by the posts in my other thread.

But now it has been interesting to see the different opinions on how a contest should be run

Steve

ahah got me... I was like are you kidding me... this is going to get so ridiculous

[mike31154]

contest, schmontest

[wolf_bluejay]

I have seen a few serious competitions where points are awarded for different things and the "total" is what wins at the end of the day.

So instead of having a budget limit, frag limit, etc.
What about 0-10 points being awarded for each of "budget, aquascape, coral/livestock, equipment design and originality".

That way, if you spend more, you might get nice colonies, but you'll lose points for being more expensive. This way you would get a balance between how nice a tank looks, and the expense for it. It seems most of the debate on the budget stuff is about bang-for-buck. This way everyone gets to play. I would rather attempt to do a tank for a few hundred and see how much/nice I can get it. But, I don't want to go head to head with someone that just blew $3000 on a 33 gal tank. Of course it will look better. I think the contest should partially about "bank-for-buck", but spend whatever you want.

With that being said, my artistic talent are horrible. And I think it should only be fair that those that have an imagination get "points" for it as well.

There, that is my "morning, and coffee hasn't kicked in yet" rant