JDigitals 10G "Hawaiian Biotope".

[sphelps]

An AIO is different, it's part of the display tank which does not count towards the budget, I clarified this with you before I built it. The sump cost is suppose to count towards the budget. So basically you agree that a sump made from scrap will not count towards the budget? That is most certainly reading between the lines. I'm sure others including myself would have liked to know that before. And you only deducted $17 for your sump, last time I checked a return pump isn't a sump.

And where's your receipt for the light fixture? I'm sorry but I don't see why you should be given any special treatment.

[JDigital]

Originally Posted by sphelps

An AIO is different, it's part of the display tank which does not count towards the budget, I clarified this with you before I built it. The sump cost is suppose to count towards the budget. So basically you agree that a sump made from scrap will not count towards the budget? That is most certainly reading between the lines. I'm sure others including myself would have liked to know that before. And you only deducted $17 for your sump, last time I checked a return pump isn't a sump.

And where's your receipt for the light fixture? I'm sorry but I don't see why you should be given any special treatment.

The sump tank cost $16.99, baffles were scrap, there is nothing else in the sump, let alone to take cost on. Was right in the rules man... it was discussed prior the contest starting.

Actually, since you refused to provide a pic for me of your SPS, when I REQUESTED one, I see no reason to provide a receipt for you... INSTEAD, I'll "compromise" (that's what you called it in your PM right????) and give you the link to the FS thread I bought it from. http://albertaaquatica.com/index.php?showtopic=21140 Take it or leave it sphelps.

[sphelps]

Well first off I can't view that link, so it's not good enough. Second I posted the picture you requested as you threatened to kick me out of the contest despite that I already corrected the budget for the one frag that was slightly bigger than 2". Plus the rules state something about the "honer system" which obviously doesn't apply here anymore. My compromise was charging the full price for the one and only one frag that could potentially be bigger than 2", but I still took the picture as requested anyway. The least you could do is set an example and follow your own rules, you should have known you needed a receipt and hassled someone else for one already so you should provide one, no if ands or buts about it.

And you still keep dancing around that fact that you should be deducting some value for the acrylic used in the sump unless you agree a sump made from scrap does not count towards the budget.

Some of the frags I put in my tank were actually "scraps" accidentally broken off corals during cleaning and fraging other corals so can I take those off my budget?

[scholar]

guys wow relax this is more about haveing fun!!! if it looks like some one is going to town and not claiming it then im sure it will come out but there is no reason to fight like this

[sphelps]

I'm all for the honer system and it's all for fun idea but I don't like being harassed, threatened and being required to take pictures with measurements to satisfy some guy on a power trip. I never liked the receipt idea and made that clear earlier but it was perused so I don't see why the pursuer should be excused.

[04scoobysti]

I can't take it anymore! It's "honor system"!

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by 04scoobysti

I can't take it anymore! It's "honor system"!

Trust me I beat that to death many times but basically some define the honor system as a system that can be questioned by anyone and if questioned you must provide whatever proof is necessary until the questioner is satisfied.

I know I don't get it either. But the way I see it the person that provides the definition should at least abide by it.

[JDigital]

Originally Posted by sphelps

Well first off I can't view that link, so it's not good enough. Second I posted the picture you requested as you threatened to kick me out of the contest despite that I already corrected the budget for the one frag that was slightly bigger than 2". Plus the rules state something about the "honer system" which obviously doesn't apply here anymore. My compromise was charging the full price for the one and only one frag that could potentially be bigger than 2", but I still took the picture as requested anyway. The least you could do is set an example and follow your own rules, you should have known you needed a receipt and hassled someone else for one already so you should provide one, no if ands or buts about it.

And you still keep dancing around that fact that you should be deducting some value for the acrylic used in the sump unless you agree a sump made from scrap does not count towards the budget.

Some of the frags I put in my tank were actually "scraps" accidentally broken off corals during cleaning and fraging other corals so can I take those off my budget?

The sump was not built out of scraps. LMAO I bought the tank from the store. The only rule for sumps was to take the cost of the tank

(Sump tank will count against your budget, should you choose to incorporate one)

Corals fall under LS, where there is nothing free. So your logic for "Scraps" fails there.

I'll get you a receipt, and have contacted the seller, but it won't be tonight.

[Chaloupa]

And let's get back to the fun part...so far I have had fun. I got to spend some quality time with my Dad that I see very rarely, I got to bring another tank into the house, and I want to see whether it can be done on a tight budget...as I think this will show people what can be done with little cash. Let's have fun! I love seeing the updates that others are doing, and it motivates me.

[sphelps]

(Sump tank will count against your budget, should you choose to incorporate one)

You see I still don't get it, I never said you built your sump from scrap but by your reasoning it seems you could build one from scrap without deducting from the budget. And you're reading between lines, a "sump tank" doesn't include baffles? Then it's more like a tank, not a sump. I'm not asking for much but I think you should deduct a couple bucks for your baffles, at one point that acrylic cost you something just like an old heater I had lying around but I still deducted 75% of it's cost as per the rules.

Whatever I'm over this but you still have to post a receipt for the lights when you get it as per the rules