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What happens five years down the road when the funding runs out. The tank goes south and the hospital wants it gone.
More revenue will have to be used to remove and remodel the area to make it usable again. I know there are people who take cats and dogs etc. to the kids and the best part about what these people do is take the animals home at the end of the day. The kids still get companionship from the animal and there no use of hospital grounds that could hold a bed or a MRI |
We are going to keep this simple. We will simply work with the Foundation and they can tell us what would be best for the kids.
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I don't know how many have been to the Stollery in Edmonton or are familiar with their fundraising campaigns, but in the grand scheme of things, 50k is a drop in the bucket. Did you know that part of your donation to Stollery goes to purchase auction items for fundraisers? Did you know that they also using fundraising dollars to purchase gifts for their large corporate sponsors? This is a well-oiled marketing machine. Please take a look at all of their suggestions for fundraising. Read all of the initiatives that they consistently run. As a donor, I'd rather know that my donation is going to a specific function (aquarium) than into a general pool used by the Foundation to solicit more money. IMHO, THAT would be a slap in the face knowing that my donation helped buy "complimentary tickets" for a sporting event for a corporate sponsor. No, I have the right to donate for a project specific cause. Also notice the term "net proceeds". This isn't all of the money that they raised but the amount that goes to the Foundation AFTER advertising, sponsorship incentives, facility hosting, and many other superflueous expenses are paid out. Don't kid yourself. The $20 that you pledge in one of those Miracle Marathons gets eaten up for advertising costs to just bring in the big fish. How do parents of sick kids feel about that? |
Wow.... Really never could I imagine such negativity from a group. Holy sad how negative this is going, my god if you can't say good things don't bother. It's not up for discussion on what or how- READ- its a post simply pointing out what they are trying to accomplish and it's a good goal!
My kids have spent time there and after telling them the idea of someone trying to raise funds for a huge reef tank they lit right up. "Dad all kids would love to see it, I'll bet even parents would enjoy it too!" My goodness.... Sent Via The Pirate Ship... |
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The feedback about maintenance and longterm followup is fair and I'd suspect something that the fundraising team is searching for. The negativity regarding the merits of the project, not so much. |
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I would hope the parents would feel greatful that people are donating and continue to do so and should be aware that fundraising is only a small percentage of were the money comes from to run the facility. |
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I do this all the time. I current auctions all the time making money. I recently bought 7 kenmore central vacs all new in box for 600 dollars. I sold them for 1300. It's good money management. I'm sure if you donated 20 and they turned it into 2000 in a years time nobody would be upset All companies give out graf. It's kind of expected. Beside anything that they buy. From hoodies to season hockey tickets is a thank you and a write off. |
The Stollery Foundation is a pretty impressive BUSINESS. It's run as a business and they raise a lot of money. They spend ridiculous money on marketing but it does work. They also work with donors of 'items'. You can see that by walking the halls and public rooms.
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If that 31% is true, it is actually just below CRA's review rate for high cost fundraising. The point being that those who are arguing "there is a better use for that money" may not realize that if that $50 000 were a cash donation, $15 500 of that would never see the hospital. Whereas a project with a $50,000 budget of capital and installation costs, a larger percentage would be actualized in bricks and mortar for the hospital. If projects are going to be scrutinized, scrutinize them equally. Is anyone examining how useful a $50,000 cash donation would be??? https://chimp.net/charities/stollery...tal-foundation This report from 2010 shows an extremely high expense report of 80% and of that 80% of expenses, "Gifts for Qualified Donees" made up 63%. $6, 023, 026 was spent on corporate gifts. That is outrageous! If we were to compare the $50,000 cash donation, $31 500 would be used for corporate gifts. Think about it a little before you criticize and apply the same criterium to all projects. |
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They actually spend a ridiculous amount on corporate donations. Their fundraising is only 21% comparatively to 63%. My point being, use the same lense for scrutinizing/evaluating all projects before tanking a proposal. |
what I dont understand from reading this thread was why 600G ?
A tank that is 120G with easy to maintain softy corals would be more than enough to hold a children/adult non enthusiast's attention. Kids that are sick and parents that are stressed out isn't going to benefit from seeing all the fancy SPS, LPS, Zoas Donating a fish tank to the hospital is a great idea, but I think we are attaching some of our fish/coral obsessions along with the original idea, and in the end this will cause this project ultimately fail. just my 2 cents. |
Hi Kevotron,
I have certainly been getting lots of feedback and I agree a smaller tank may be better. I will be meeting with the Stollery Foundation and will leave it up to them... but a smaller tank, stocked and with good maintenance would be the way to go I think. At least that seems to be the feedback so far, which has been much appreciated all around. Tim |
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My heart goes out to any parent in this position, but honestly I would be really ****ed off to see this in a hospital, as much as I love my tanks and wish I could get every one a tank, nothing could ever replace a child. And all I would want is to get my child home healthy and never look back. I am pretty sure you came to the right place as a tank that size is a money pit and we can all vouch for it. The money could be put to a thousand better uses..I am pretty sure that not all the families that are going there with these precious babes have very much. Just my 2 cents. |
Not a good idea. Last time I saw a fish tank in such place it was neglected to no end. It was sad sad sad.
It's not a proper place to put such tank. So many things can go wrong with a tank that is well cared for, I can only imagine the pain that such tank would cost in a inproper place with no one dedicated long term to it. |
Wouldn't a tank in a place like the hospital be better with some nice fish and fake rock and corals like they do on those shows like tanked and fish tank kings way easier to care for and clean , I know it's not how we in the hobby like our tanks to be , but for just ease of upkeep its got to be better, a tank with live rock and corals could turn into an awful mess real fast I would think
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I thought there was a tank there... and I thought AI was taking care of it.
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Agreed. Good idea... Bad plan. It needs to be simple. So if something goes wrong ... Like my tank currently... It can be monitored. My 100g system is crashing. And it's soooo much work to try figure it out. There is no company in town giving daily service out for free (that I'm aware of) and I can't think anyone will willing pay for it. A big tank will need to be babysat in a place like that or the maintenace company will look bad. KISS.. Keep it simple stupid. Lol. Good luck with your plan either way. |
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There is a tank there, being in and out of the stollery with sick kids regularily I walk by the Cube tank alot. Its always clean and seems to be well maintained. I do believe AI's stamp/crest is on the tank. When i'm in and out of the Stollery and its busy one main attraction is most definetly the fish tank, I haven't been into the stollery when someone wasn't plastered to the glass myself included. There is nothing more relaxing then doing paperwork while watching a fish tank at 4am. Sorry as I am not going to comment on too much here as there has been very good and supported claims and opinions, what I will say is there I believe 90g cube is more then enough to satisfy kids/parents and staff. I do believe the fundraised money would be much better used for many other things in the stollery. |
Yes, AI actually has 5 tanks throughout the Stollery. Primarily fresh water.
We want to build a premium reef tank, similar to what they have built for Telus. Also similar to tanks MA builds for private homes. Both Ron at AI, Josh and Harvey at Marine Aquaria are helping with the project so far. |
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