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fishoholic 03-21-2009 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by my2rotties (Post 401810)

I see a stupid dog, the stupid owner is not too far away... dogs are amirror imagies of their owners... mine are awesome and well behaved, and I get compliments on how nice and peaceful they are...:wink:

I have to agree, it's not about which bread the dog is, it's how the owner treats the dog. Anyone who watches the Dog whisperer with Cesar Millan will know his saying "I rehabilitate dogs and I train people" His dog "Daddy" is the best most laid back dog and he is a pit bull.

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Originally Posted by my2rotties (Post 401812)
I just need to add boxing gloves and a first aid kit with the flame suit next time.:smile:

Sounds like an interesting outfit, can't wait to see you in it :rofl2: J/K

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Originally Posted by naesco (Post 401829)
Hey, if a reefer needs some help with a problem or needs advice and your a bit shy about asking online, Private Message someone who you think might have experience with the issue or the species.
To PM you just click on the reefers name and the PM pops up and you are off and away.
Most people would be flattered that you asked them.

I've been pm'd before for advice and I have to say it's an honour and it's very flattering :biggrin:

my2rotties 03-21-2009 06:55 AM

The fish was purchased two months ago now. I don't want this fish... please reread my posts. I am getting my fish trap from my friend tomorrow and the sohal will be coming out. He has not done anything else at this point and seems fine... for now... I never made mention of him in this thread since it was about other things. I wasn't going to mention anything until he was out or I at least had the trap back. Again please reread the first post and actually look at what I am saying...


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Originally Posted by GreenSpottedPuffer (Post 401844)
Its not about being "****ed" or annoyed at new reefers. I don't think many of the experienced reefers here feel that way for asking questions. I do think they get annoyed when their advice is ignored. In this case its not really ignored but she has already been given some great advice and actually said she was done with keeping angels and actually I believe it was just a few weeks back (or less) that she had said shes not adding any fish for a while. That tank is very packed in my opinion.

So I think if people are taking the time to help others but the same questions keep coming up and advice is ignored, they have a right to get annoyed and express this the same way this poster constantly justifies everything by saying she loves her fish.

If you go back and read all the different threads about the problem puffer, death of the dogface, problems with tangs, death of the angels, anemone, ect. you will understand where people are coming from. The tank is a bit of an experiment IMO. Its also very young for so many fish. Its also not a massive tank...ect. ect.

The common response in every thread is about how much she loves the fish and does everything in her power to keep them happy and healthy. I don't doubt this one bit but its a bit of a contradiction to keep adding livestock and buying these fish if you feel that way. Saying one thing but doing differently will annoy some people. Doesn't really annoy me but leads me to believe this whole thing is a real struggle for her. And I do sympathize. But at some point for the sake of the livestock it needs to stop. Heck I have a list of about 20 more fish I would like to keep but I know I am pushing it already or that some are just not compatible with aquarium life.

I recently had an escalating problem between two tangs and had to remove one...It has been very upsetting but these things have to be done. I couldn't wait until one was dead...You have to make choices and I think most people responding just thought this was done in that last thread when the angels died.

I have to say I was pretty surprised to find another thread about this so soon.

I wish Diana the BEST of luck but do think they need to choose a direction for this tank ;)


Doug 03-21-2009 01:46 PM

Twice I was going to post yesterday and decided to shut up. :D

To others reading the thread, please dont hesitate to post your problems and questions on Canreef. That would be such a shame that aquarists are scared off from posting.
Take any answers, on any board, for what they are worth. Some answer in a harsh manner, and some answers are from newer aquarists trying to help but are not always the correct answer.
Canreef was set up by Titus, to be a friendly place to dicuss our aquarium related interests and has grown to be one of the best reefing boards anywhere, but esp. in Canada.

Aquattro 03-21-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by digital-audiophile (Post 401707)
(BTW I do not intend to offend any pitbull owners.. I just use them as an example because they are painted as being a mean dog) :)

Oh, but now we're offended anyway. Nyx is just pacing back and forth, I think she wants to bite you now! :)

Aquattro 03-21-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by es355lucille (Post 401818)
Hi Diana, to tell you the truth I don't really say much on the forum as I have seen this on a number of occasions and I don’t find it very constructive or positive for anyone new to the hobby. Most of us new to the hobby feel dumb enough at times without it being splattered on the forum.

And this is a shame, most of us want to encourage the asking of dumb questions. I've been here for longer than I can remember. Did I mention anything about the school of purple anthias I killed last year? My GF thought they'd be pretty, so I made excuses on why I could keep them. Nope, starved, just like I knew they would. These things happen to everyone, with or without experience. If I had of asked up front, maybe someone would have yelled me out of a stupid decision.
As mentioned, if you want to ask but don't want the few to pounce on you, PM someone. There are lots of people here that have patience and understand that nobody knows everything, and that you may have got a bad start in the hobby from poor advice. But, the purpose of this board is to help, not judge, so please disregard the attitude of some of the frustrated people, just realize they aren't bad people, just very pasionate about this stuff and perhaps take the wrong route in portraying that.

Dianna, thanks for being brave enough to ask, and braver still in sticking around to tell your side. Hopefully it encourages other people to do the same. Yes, we all make stupid mistakes, and when one of us is man or woman enough to admit it in a forum like this, well, you deserve credit for that alone. Good luck with whatever you decide.

It's funny, I just remembered one of our old members who had one of the nicest tanks ever got one of these angels, nobody said squat to him about it, other than "hey, nice fish" :)

Leah 03-21-2009 03:13 PM

Oh, oh, oh,
Something positive just about fell off my chair. Yes we hopefully learn from others posting their own mistakes. After being royally chastized myself I feel like it is
sad that we can not be honest. I think when I was trying to be honest I got slammed
before I had a chance to make my point. And felt that because this person was a
sponser I was SOL. So do not feel dumb to start a thread. It helps others.

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-21-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Leah (Post 401891)
Oh, oh, oh,
Something positive just about fell off my chair. Yes we hopefully learn from others posting their own mistakes. After being royally chastized myself I feel like it is
sad that we can not be honest. I think when I was trying to be honest I got slammed
before I had a chance to make my point. And felt that because this person was a
sponser I was SOL. So do not feel dumb to start a thread. It helps others.

I agree! Questions are a good thing to post, there aren't many dumb questions in this hobby especially when you are a noob; however, sometimes the intelligence and constructiveness of a reply could on occasion be labeled as dumb. :hug:

"If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
~Abraham Lincoln

digital-audiophile 03-21-2009 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 401880)
Oh, but now we're offended anyway. Nyx is just pacing back and forth, I think she wants to bite you now! :)

Don't make me sic my cat on her! :mrgreen:

Aquattro 03-21-2009 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by digital-audiophile (Post 401976)
Don't make me sic my cat on her! :mrgreen:

She loves cats. Raw or roasted, doesn't matter :)

digital-audiophile 03-21-2009 07:17 PM

See I told you they were mean dogs.. she wants to eat my cat :hungry:

Aquattro 03-21-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by digital-audiophile (Post 401979)
See I told you they were mean dogs.. she wants to eat my cat :hungry:

lol. Ya, mean like a kitten this one...

my2rotties 03-23-2009 11:14 PM

Update
 
The Regal angel is still at the store after ten weeks. We have decided it is not in the best interest of the fish to ever consider him. I have offered him to a canreef friend with a well established tank and enough experience to give him the home he needs. She is thinking about it at the moment and doing her research on the fish... She already has angels and has had them for the long term.

If she declines I will offer him to another canreef friend with a well established tank. He is still safe and sound at the LFS and will not be in my tank, so people can calm down. He will be getting the best home possible.

Myka 03-24-2009 03:26 AM

I am glad to hear you will not be adding this fish to your reef.

my2rotties 03-24-2009 03:43 AM

Personally I never had any intention to add him to my reef... When I asked about making a case why NOT to add it, it was on behalf of making it a slam dunk as to why I did not feel right about adding him. I also expected the little trooper to be long dead to be honest. I canreef friend made mention that the regal was still at the store to my amazement.

This is why I asked about why it would not be a good idea. I guess when we write nobody can get a feel as to the tone in which we are asking the question.

I am not letting the fish go to the store and am currently trying to find a well established tank with a experienced keeper. I don't think the girl I offered him to is ready for him, so I am still looking for a home.

This little guy has lived in the store for over ten weeks. He beat bacterial and skin infections. The last thing I would do is bring him home to an uncertain future. I would never be able to live myself if he died and I know there is a big risk of that for angel species in my tank.

I know quite a few canreefers, and feel that if I put him up for adoption he will have the best chance at living a long life. If I take my store credit anybody can just buy him. I have a couple of weeks to find an appropriate home and he can stay at the store until one is found.



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Originally Posted by Myka (Post 403042)
I am glad to hear you will not be adding this fish to your reef.


PoonTang 03-24-2009 03:47 AM

A good decision. Good for you. Sit back and enjoy your tank for a while, it is heavily stocked and still young. Even without adding anything else you are still going to have some uphill battles in the weeks/months to come. Sit tight and ride it out. Lots of good people here to help you out.


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Originally Posted by my2rotties (Post 402938)
The Regal angel is still at the store after ten weeks. We have decided it is not in the best interest of the fish to ever consider him. I have offered him to a canreef friend with a well established tank and enough experience to give him the home he needs. She is thinking about it at the moment and doing her research on the fish... She already has angels and has had them for the long term.

If she declines I will offer him to another canreef friend with a well established tank. He is still safe and sound at the LFS and will not be in my tank, so people can calm down. He will be getting the best home possible.


Myka 03-24-2009 03:53 AM

Your tank really needs some time to mature before you start adding more livestock to it. Asking here is a good place to start when you see something you are interested in. It would be great if you and your husband got together with a good fish book and decided on what types of fish you would like to keep, and then decide whether you want corals or not, and if so which types. Then you can put together a plan. The plan may change as you go along, but the general idea should stay the same. A tank as big as yours with no plan could turn into a large disaster, as you've already gotten a taste. Imagine making some of these mistakes 2 years down the road when you have a few thousand dollars in livestock.

my2rotties 03-24-2009 04:04 AM

I honestly never wanted angels but my husband did... if you have one, you may as well have more. My husband wants his reef tank and we spoke at great length about the direction we are going now. So far all my fish are reef safe aside of rearranging corals while I sleep. I managed to be lucky enough for my puffer to be working now. I made the mistake of buying a large mature wild fish... no kidding he would be doing the things he did in the ocean. Now he is content to swim with his fire shrimp at night and wait for his home made food.

The tangs have settled down and I am thinking the fight was over hunger. I was really late feeding them and did things backwards to the way I usually do. They are really grumpy when they are hungry...

I am hoping I don't have any uphill battles in the next few months... any insight on what this might be? I remember when the tank say cycling for over two months, watching the diatoms appear in a matter of hours... then I was told of wait until you get the hair algae... You don't know what hair algae is until you see it in your tank... then it turned brown then other stuff showed up... it never ends but if I know what to expect around the bend I at least will be ready for it.

So can you let me know whats coming up for me, so its not a surprise?:wink::wink:

Myka 03-24-2009 04:15 AM

Algae will be your biggest battle in the first 12 months. One kind or another. As well as choosing compatible livestock. Getting used to dosing will be another lesson. When summer comes you may battle heat. A nasty hitchhiker will usually show up in the first 12 months if you have one.

my2rotties 03-24-2009 04:40 AM

I already have the dosing down, and make the Randys recipe. I hardly have any algae these days at all, and have no plans for livestock anymore. We live in the woods and the house is always cool, which is a wonderful thing. I already saw a big eunicide (sp) living in the pipes going to my fuge... don't know how to deal with it yet and pretend I didn't see it. The husband pretend she didn't hear me say it was there and his job is insects and dead stuff... :wink::wink:


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Originally Posted by Myka (Post 403067)
Algae will be your biggest battle in the first 12 months. One kind or another. As well as choosing compatible livestock. Getting used to dosing will be another lesson. When summer comes you may battle heat. A nasty hitchhiker will usually show up in the first 12 months if you have one.


Myka 03-24-2009 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by my2rotties (Post 403081)
I already have the dosing down, and make the Randys recipe. I hardly have any algae these days at all, and have no plans for livestock anymore. We live in the woods and the house is always cool, which is a wonderful thing. I already saw a big eunicide (sp) living in the pipes going to my fuge... don't know how to deal with it yet and pretend I didn't see it. The husband pretend she didn't hear me say it was there and his job is insects and dead stuff... :wink::wink:

You shouldn't have to be dosing your tank much if at all yet. When(If) you plan to add a bunch more corals is when you will really begin to be dosing.

Algae can creep up outta nowhere, don't be thinkin that an algae free 4 month old tank is out of the woods yet!! :D

I would get on catching that Eunicid worm...they can wreak havoc by eating corals and/or fish.

my2rotties 03-24-2009 04:52 AM

I use 332ml of the part one of randys recipe daily... The system is probably 325g with the rock sump and fuge together. I have a profilux controller which has me in a rage at the moment and will be getting the doser to go with it. I have corals and they are all growing and nothing is dying or sick. I had a tank for over a year prior to this one, but nothing even comparable to this one.

When I figure out how to sort and organize my photobucket, I will break my system down and list everything I have in it. I tried to have it in my signature line but ran out of room...

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Originally Posted by Myka (Post 403085)
You shouldn't have to be dosing your tank much if at all yet. When(If) you plan to add a bunch more corals is when you will really begin to be dosing.

Algae can creep up outta nowhere, don't be thinkin that an algae free 4 month old tank is out of the woods yet!! :D

I would get on catching that Eunicid worm...they can wreak havoc by eating corals and/or fish.


Myka 03-24-2009 05:06 AM

I just went and looked at your photos again...I forgot how many corals you already have in that tank. I'm really surprised you haven't run into more problems than you have considering the amount of livestock you crammed into there in a mere 4 months.

my2rotties 03-24-2009 05:21 AM

There are many factors that I think have helped me be successful. I won't post too much about it in case it encourages anyone else to do what I have done. We did a lot of research and also had a tremendous amount of help form a fellow member. If it was not for him, I would not be where I am today... He knows who he is:wink:

My params never change, but I still do water changes weekly. I always test my water to be sure everything is in check. The tank also cycled for over two months prior to my fish going in... I don't know I have just been lucky. I follow what my canreef buddy has told me exactly and it has paid off to have his help whenever I need to ask him something about the system.

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Originally Posted by Myka (Post 403094)
I just went and looked at your photos again...I forgot how many corals you already have in that tank. I'm really surprised you haven't run into more problems than you have considering the amount of livestock you crammed into there in a mere 4 months.



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