current state of the iraqi conflict

[BCOrchidGuy]

I completely reject a culture which degrades women, suppresses other religions, and where the governing powers rule by fear, torture and repression. And unfortunately these are the cultural values of the entire Arab world, whether we are talking about orthodox Shi'ites in Iran or secular Arabs in Sadaam's regime. The individual nuances may vary but the basic value system is the same.

That was a cut and paste, can't remember who said that....

USA, try to find a woman who makes the same amount of $$ as a man in the same position...

suppresses other religoins? talk to David Koresh... and others

USA, rule by fear torture and repression?? The US didn't take any POW's in afganistan when they went in there... odd isn't it that the Military saw fit to label all prisoners terrorists therefore the Geneva convention didn't apply to them..

George Bush and the American people may not be terrorists in their eyes or ours but to the populations of the Arab world he MAY be.

Although I see your point I find it tough to swallow that the US even gives a flying crap about what is happening to the people in Iraq. Did the US or the UN want to go into Afghanistan before the Twin towers.. hell no, women were being stoned for reading, kids were being stoned for going to illegal schools ( all were illegal) families were being executed for practicing other religons, not a single thing was done by the UN in the way of stopping Bin Laden UNTIL the twin towers then all the sudden, they had to go in and save all these poor oppressed people???

I spent 5 years in the Canadian Armed forces, we did stuff that would curl your toe nails. We did peace keeping duties we also did aggressive duties, hell I was on a destroyer that fired live at a russian submarine. The Canadian armed forces are in the gulf, and on the ground and they are contributing more to this War than some of the countries that say they do support the US.

Whether I support the US actions or not doesn't really matter, one thing that does matter is that you can watch all the news you want, you can read TIME or what ever you want, but in the end you will never know the entire truth. While in the forces my ex wife was in Baden Baden German when the Chernobyl reactor went, we over here were being told nothing to worry about, no problems anywhere, life is good etc... in reality, kids were being shaved, pets were being put down, shaved at the very least. Play grounds were buried and rebuilt, fall out was a huge problem and a huge fear for them, but our news services kept telling us, its a lovely day for a hike in the Black Forest.

Reality bites, people are being killed, that is the saddest thing of all, all children deserve a parent to comfort them in their fears, even if they don't share the same religous values we do.

[Quinn]

young people are better soldiers for many reasons i am sure. we reach our physical peak at about the age of 20, and of course, as said, young people are more flexible.

i often wonder what the american government knows that it doesn't tell its citizens (and the rest of us). i personally would not equate western ideals with american ideals, because there is a gap, just as there is one between western ideals and canadian ideals, and islamist ideals and egyptian ideals, and zionist ideals and israeli ideals.

[Wannabe Reefer]

asmodeus sorry for the mix up, hope I did not say anything I should regret.

[Skimmerking]

wannabee no problem I'm in the 1RCHA Artillery and use to jump with A company with 3PP. I was in the FOO party from shilo.
I know where you are coming from, Hey you must know WAYNE WILLIAMS.MCPL type .i very close friend of mine. hey when where you last there Is freddie still there with the canteen.

So i know losts of the boys up there.

ANd for the question for TEE VEE i think the older generals are just sitting there getting over weight and making choices without consulting the younger army .So they my have did time 30 yrs ago but things have changed since the early 70's

oh well doesnt matter what is said we are going to have a disagreement in conflict

[Quinn]

yeah good enough. the topic has been fun but i think we've pretty much worn it out now. thanks again for the input though

[Troy F]

teevee, young people don't reach their physical peek at 20. If you look at sports, guys usually have their carreer seasons between 28 and 32. You have to look at everything not just physical maturity. It may be that a 20 year old is dumb enough to do exactly what a commander tells him, this may improve his ability to die readily but the good soldiers like John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Willem Dafoe and Tom Berenger were veterans.

[Doug]

Oh yeaaaaaaa. One of you younguns want to arm wrestle or have a race.

[Quinn]

i beg to differ. due to training you may be correct, as it takes time to achieve the results athletes desire. however from a strictly scientific standpoint, a 20 year old will be in better shape than a 32 year old. of course this doesn't mean it's downhill from there, the body stays in peak condition for a few years after that point.

of course i may be mistaken, this is stuff from my developmental psych class and research can be wrong.

[Skimmerking]

Well i thought we were done ... Well i'm 34 next month and i'm in better shape then most of the 20 yrs old in that i'm saying running ,weighting lifting knowledge to of course.
the reason for this is most of the younger generations are in to more of play station and the video world where like in DOUG'S case you had to do everything by hand...!!!!!!

Well sorr yDad had to say it ..
No really now with the improvemnts in everything you dont have to do anything now before you had to get out to pay bills and and things like that. Now you cvan do it all over the phone..


See my point so t me yes younger are smarter then the older generation ..
But they are more lazier
And that ''s my opinion!!!!!!

NOw i know i have just started a war again i can feel it, Mark me words there will be a smart a## remark intented

[Quinn]

reaffirming, without training/specialized activity, the average 20 year old is in better shape than the average 32 year old.

however i have no doubt that i am one of the scrawniest people who post on this board, and i am 20 in 3 months