copperband twitching its head - Page 4

daniella3d · #31 01-19-2011, 04:03 AM

The fish seem fine and eats like a little pig so appetite is back.

he also seem to be getting tired of that little 21 gallons tank so I guess tomorrow it's going in the main tank. I don't like to see it rub its nose all over the glass trying to get out. I think the tank is too small.

I don't see it twitching any longer but he seem a bit more skittish which I assume is due to the Prazipro. It was always making my freshwater fish very skittish for a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

If it was me in your situation I think I would only consider doing the second treatment if I could see that there were still symptoms.

#32 01-19-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Myka

Prazi won't hurt flatworms or starfish ime.

Hi just reading through this thread again but Prazi-pro and praziquantel are two different medications. praziquantel does have Prazi in it but it also contains another medication I can not think of it off the top of my head too many things running around in there right now. so yes Prazi-pro normally does not affect flat worms but it can in high doses the bottle advises it treats:"flukes, tapeworms, flatworms, turbellarians." this comes right off the bottle. You may have to use a double dose for flat worms I don't know as I have never had them and never treated for them. I had a fish come in and after QT and was in the tank the fish started showing signs of flukes. I get mine out of the USA in 4 oz bottles so I don't order often only once in 1.5 years I got extra for a couple other people. and I still say it was flukes..

Bill

daniella3d · #33 01-19-2011, 02:22 PM

No, prazipro does not contain anything else except a solvant. It is praziquantal in a liquid form, already dissolved and ready to use. I have read that some people say it containt metronidazole but I have no idea where they got this.

It's not that it will kill the flatworms in high dose, but rather that it kill certain type of flatworms and not others and the others that it does not kill are those pests in our aquarium. I would rather use flatworm exit instead if needed

The problem that remain with my copperband is that he's breathing quite fast in the morning and that changes during the day, then he start to breath slowly and normaly by mid day. Maybe there is just a lack of oxygen in my tank during the night because I shut off my skimmer to let the fish sleep? or maybe he's just spooked when the light turn on? I would imagine that if this was flukes it would be breathing fast all day, not just in the morning?

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Originally Posted by bvlester

Hi just reading through this thread again but Prazi-pro and praziquantel are two different medications. praziquantel does have Prazi in it but it also contains another medication I can not think of it off the top of my head too many things running around in there right now. so yes Prazi-pro normally does not affect flat worms but it can in high doses the bottle advises it treats:"flukes, tapeworms, flatworms, turbellarians." this comes right off the bottle. You may have to use a double dose for flat worms I don't know as I have never had them and never treated for them. I had a fish come in and after QT and was in the tank the fish started showing signs of flukes. I get mine out of the USA in 4 oz bottles so I don't order often only once in 1.5 years I got extra for a couple other people. and I still say it was flukes..

Bill

Delphinus · #34 01-19-2011, 02:58 PM

Bill, did you maybe mean Praztastic has a second ingredient besides praziquantel?

daniella3d · #35 01-19-2011, 06:32 PM

Ok I dosed again because it's the second time this week that I see my copperband breathing from only one gill and the other gill is closed and not moving. That was a clear sign of flukes with my discus, so I am guessing that breathing from only one gill is also a sign with saltwater fish?

I don't see how a second treatment will do harm since it went really well the first time and I will be safe that it will take care of what ever could be left.

I am going to wait 2 days and transfer the fish after that. Guess that will be about 10 days treatment with prazipro.

daniella3d · #36 01-20-2011, 02:36 PM

I put the copperband in the main tank this evening because his breathing was nice and slow and wow, within 2 minutes he started to roam the aquarium picking at the feather dusters all over. I thought he would be shy but no, he's all over the place. The best part is that nobody even pay attention to him, so he's doing his little thing in peace. So far so good

Lance · #37 01-21-2011, 02:08 AM

Good news! Enjoy him.

#38 01-21-2011, 07:20 AM

I know prazi-pro has a solvent but praziquantal is suppose to contain some thing else, metronidazole does sound familiar but I am not sure what the extra substance is. After doing some surching if you get the praziquantel for humans then it has no other medications in it but aparently the praziquantel for dogs does. this drug treats for worms and flukes. Flukes will retract during the day when exposed to bright light the little buggers can retract under scales of a fish. If you don't see them on the scales yet then your fish should be savable. flukes can be species specific so if you are lucky that is the type you have so they will not spread to your other fish. The fish that brought them into my tank was an angle and it spread to my clowns and none of the other fish.

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Originally Posted by daniella3d

No, prazipro does not contain anything else except a solvant. It is praziquantal in a liquid form, already dissolved and ready to use. I have read that some people say it containt metronidazole but I have no idea where they got this.

It's not that it will kill the flatworms in high dose, but rather that it kill certain type of flatworms and not others and the others that it does not kill are those pests in our aquarium. I would rather use flatworm exit instead if needed

The problem that remain with my copperband is that he's breathing quite fast in the morning and that changes during the day, then he start to breath slowly and normaly by mid day. Maybe there is just a lack of oxygen in my tank during the night because I shut off my skimmer to let the fish sleep? or maybe he's just spooked when the light turn on? I would imagine that if this was flukes it would be breathing fast all day, not just in the morning?

#39 01-21-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

Bill, did you maybe mean Praztastic has a second ingredient besides praziquantel?

yes that was it I think, but dog medication for tape worms have 2 ingredients there are a few other med's that have praziquatel and another ingredient in it, so no one is wrong in this instants. and yes it can affect flat worms I believe it depends on the dose you use as Prazi pro is quite diluted in comparison to praziquatel when mixed up.

Bill

daniella3d · #40 01-21-2011, 02:54 PM

Praziquantal is praziquantal, it is a pure medicine just like metronidazole (for protozoares). Prazipro contain praziquantal and a solvant, nothing else that I am aware of. It would be nice if you could find the reference about dog praziquantal containing something else and what is that something else. Praziquantal itself does kill flukes and some type of flatworms, not just flukes.

I don't think he's got flukes anylonger. I am not even sure it was fluke because I have not seen any. Today his breathing is nice and slow but he has not eaten the mysis and white worms yet...he's too full of feather dusters. I will try to offer the fish some fresh mussle as well.

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Originally Posted by bvlester

I know prazi-pro has a solvent but praziquantal is suppose to contain some thing else, metronidazole does sound familiar but I am not sure what the extra substance is. After doing some surching if you get the praziquantel for humans then it has no other medications in it but aparently the praziquantel for dogs does.