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Old 12-01-2004, 06:23 AM
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Holy. Missed a few posts when I typed in my response to Tim, talk about your out of sequence replies.

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Old 12-01-2004, 08:55 AM
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If you're at that level of frustration, Brad, then I applaud you for the extra effort it must take to remain on the board helping out as much as you do. I sincerely hope that you don't get out of the hobby, either short or long term. You're a great resource.

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Old 12-01-2004, 01:51 PM
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Mitch, as I was saying to Tony. I don't so much hate the hobby, just my tank. I still very much enjoy the board and the hobby in general. Just 53 weeks of this battle has beat me down.
I think it's best if I start over, but I'm stuck with what I have. Somehow I need to work with it, unless someone with a lot of money and a truck shows up at my door.
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Old 12-01-2004, 02:33 PM
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Mitch, as I was saying to Tony. I don't so much hate the hobby, just my tank. I still very much enjoy the board and the hobby in general. Just 53 weeks of this battle has beat me down.
I think it's best if I start over, but I'm stuck with what I have. Somehow I need to work with it, unless someone with a lot of money and a truck shows up at my door.
Wholly crap Brad. I never relized it was that bad either. Sorry for the losses.

Like you, its my tanks, not the hobby. I still love it and faithfully read most of my dozen or so boards everyday, with great anticipation.

Mitch, I disagree larger is better. Sorry, but thats where I have been. My systems are fully automated. Flatworms would not be so cute if anyone had the problems I had with them. Same with many others I know on the boards. Larger still means hard to reach in and clean, lots of salt for water changes, more and larger lights, large skimmers with large pumps and so on.

My current tank is lightly stocked, barebottom, lots of growth room for the sps corals. Unlike some of my other problems or some of the other posts here, my corals and fish are doing extremely well. Its still the upkeep and equipment of the large tanks that frustrate me now.

Like I mentioned before, perhaps to many years, to many problems lead to burnout. I have been at it for over 30 years, about 14 with a reef tank of somekind.

Another frustrating thing is all the aquarists I know on the boards and seeing some of their major problems like being mentioned here. It just makes me go hmmmmmmmm.

I guess these are just my feelings of course as I also know many with large, high tech tanks, that would have it no other way. So my major point on this thread is to agree with the philosophy of Bev and Bob, rather than leaving the hobby after many frustrations.
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Old 12-01-2004, 02:47 PM
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unless someone with a lot of money and a truck shows up at my door.
I got the truck part

At any rate considering I had a huge let down in the last bit maybe I should put a cents worth in.

My loss was fast, and in the end it covered 99% of the fish (got the fox face to a LFS just in time) and 100% of the hard corals (which for argument sake was my entire tank)

this wasn't caused by an unknown problem, but rather an equipment failure (heater) I did seriously consider for about 4 to 8 hours just packing it in, and continued to do so as I watched everything "not recover" over the next 3 days, but I decided to redo it. My reasoning behind staying in Salt is simple, after I got over the initial upset I realized, how many people get a chance to start all over. to change bad fish decisions, or sand bed decisions, or coral choices in type and placement, well this was my chance. Another thing is once you get your tank up and established for all practical purposes you are done. I find the most satisfying part is building up to that point, as after that it is just something to look at.

But I also look at the other problems and in a way I am glad mine was sudden, I was totally devastated for about 1 day, upset for another one or two then that faded to oh well. but for some one who has been fighting a problem for a year or two with out making progress it is worse as you are continually beet down by the problem and get no sence of closure.

This hobby can be a roller coaster ride and it is not for the fien of heart or wallet. All it takes is a heater to stick and 2000.00 to 3000.00 worth of corals is gone overnight.

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Old 12-01-2004, 03:19 PM
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My tank would never qualify for a Tank of the month. Nor would I want it to. Those are but a snapshot of a living organism. Trying to acheive that as a constant is unrealistic, IMO.
I look forward to the changes as they happen. It constantly reminds me that I have more to learn and that I can't sit back and watch a constant, perfect picture.
My first SW tank was in 1981. I've lived on a boat and loved it, I can't seem to get enough of the SW world.
My main frustration right now with this hobby is the emphasis that seems to be put on appearance and color. Myself, I like the activity and interactions between all the life forms.
While we may have our own preferences as to how much effort we want to put into our tanks, or how large/small a system is, we're all still dealing with animals that came from the same ocean.

To each their own, and I hope none of you people leave. This is a pretty great board.

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Like I said above, it may be a FOWLR by February...
Maybe a nice FOWLRAZ - "and zoos."



(I don't mean to be a smartass, or trivialize your plight, but it's just a thought.)
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Like I said above, it may be a FOWLR by February...
I don't want to demean your problems, but you might try a FOWLR with zoanthids. I have a tank like that, and the beauty of it is that the zoos spread. You can then sell the offspring and the hobby becomes almost self sustaining.
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Like I said above, it may be a FOWLR by February...
Maybe a nice FOWLRAZ - "and zoos."



(I don't mean to be a smartass, or trivialize your plight, but it's just a thought.)
You think you're being a smartass, but in fact, this is a very real consideration. I really do like zoos, so who knows.
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I don't want to demean your problems, but you might try a FOWLR with zoanthids. I have a tank like that, and the beauty of it is that the zoos spread.
But Bob, how would I start when there are no zoos locally for me to put in my tank??
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