Jebao Pumps - Illegal?

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

Just curious, are DIY LED fixtures, and other DIY devices involving electricity (eg. ATO switches) illegal, and no insurance coverage if there is a fire?

I was thinking the same thing

[jorjef]

Can you here the crickets?? Good question, let the panic ensue.

[kien]

I think the moral of this story is that if you're going to burn down your house with non approved electrical hardware, then just make sure that the equipment in question has completely disintegrated beyond all recognition. Problem solved. Thank me later.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by jorjef

Can you here the crickets?? Good question, let the panic ensue.

I know for certain that any electrical project I undertake is much more likely to light my house on fire than any factory produced equipment. So far Brad's projects, 2 fires, counterfeit sticker items, 0.

[Reef Pilot]

And does this mean I should disconnect my DIY water sensor (connected to my Apex IO Breakout Box) that shuts down my pumps if I have a water leak or spill?

[Seriak]

In my research of LED's I read this.

"Low voltage LED lights do not require these seals as they are required only for line voltage (AC) devices"

I also read the following.

"products that are considered “low voltage devices” by UL do not require UL approval. These devices utilize voltages ranging from 0 to 24VDC and do not have intrinsic safety requirements or other safety requirements for which UL approval would be required."

[The Guy]

Originally Posted by warriorcookie

uniboob, you're close. The powerhead itself does not need the certification, submerged or not. This is because the powerhead operates at 24V which falls below the 100V requirement.

It's the Class 2 power supply (the "Wall Wart", AC/DC converter) that needs the certification.


I have yet to see anyone produce a shred of information that confirms that the certification is faked. There's alot of "I've heard" and "I know for a fact", but no-one is producing a credible source...

Ok here's a picture of the power AC/DC converter that came with my Jebao wp25 wavemaker, also on the side of the converter there is a slide switch to choose the DC voltage. Better start getting rid of all your lap-tops & monitors LOL!! I'm sure there's millions of these out there.

[jorjef]

I'm still getting out of this hobby. It's all a death trap.... Who ever thought mixing water and electricity would carry so many risks...Brad if you're ever out this way I would like to contract you for a little basement reno I have being mulling about.

[Jeff000]

Originally Posted by uniboob

I think because it is being submerged in water/around hazardous environment makes them NEED to have certification.

From ESA site:

The OESC Rule 2-022(3) (c) specifies some exceptions to electrical product approval requirements. Electrical equipment does not require approval if it connected to the load side of an approved Class 2 power supply whose power output does not exceed 100 V

This. The fact that it's plugged in is what makes it OK.

Insurance will still cover you, they cover if your cigarette burns your house down.

[warriorcookie]

Ya, I also checked the UL Online Certifications Directory. The manufacture listed on the AC/DC adapter (Shenzhen Borasen Technology) shows no results. Jebao does come up with multiple certificates, but all are older and none list WP25, WP40, etc...

I intend to continue using mine, but I'll be replacing my AC/DC adapters with ones that have a legitimate UL certification.

As far as DIY LED's:

The OESC Rule 2-022(3) (c) specifies some exceptions to electrical product approval requirements. Electrical equipment does not require approval if it connected to the load side of an approved Class 2 power supply whose power output does not exceed 100 V

So, the voltage between the driver and the LED's most times is below 100v. But the mains voltage to the driver most certainly is above. Check your drivers, there should be a certificate stamped there too.

Switches for ATO's are below the 100V as well.


On a side note, some of my USB wall chargers have the UL stamp, but many of the random ones I have do not...