almost got it all :)

[Jason McK]

I find it very strange that you have taken such offense to my post that was intended to help save you frustration of dosing Zeobac (a live Bacteria) into your system and then having your UV sterilizer kill all the benefits of the ZeoBac.
In efforts to ensure I was not giving you false information I went to Zeovit.com to check my advise and sure enough http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15625 states the same thing I have said, Along with page 15 of the ZeoGuide
There is no Bashing in my statements or closed mindedness.

J

[fkshiu]

Originally Posted by globaldesigns

I tend to only lurk here because to many people want to bash, not help (not just this thread but many others), people should ask why I am doing this and what are my results (maybe ask do you have before and after pics, I don't so don't ask, I should of though)... It is ok to have your opinion, but I find people too closed minded, their way or the highway. Again this is just my opinion.

Canreef is like a tripped out hippie commune compared to places like Reef Central.

[globaldesigns]

Originally Posted by fkshiu

Canreef is like a tripped out hippie commune compared to places like Reef Central.

HEHE...

Jason, I don't really take offense... I just find that people are one minded... If you went to zeovit.com like you said, you would also see people are doing what I am doing (but you just want to prove your point and keep it to standards, these standards I do know also)... As I stated, what I am doing is working for me, and it isn't a permament thing. I know what zeovit is and what each dose does, I am not STUPID (Zeovit is expensive and I don't want to waste money, with a 300gallon total system it gets expensive), but when you are given a situation you need to look at it and decide how to approach things.

I find with this forum, if it isn't in the book, sorry can't be done. Like I said, sometimes you have to think outside the box.

I think we should end this... no reason to discuss further... I wish everyone the best and again let's have fun!!!

[albert_dao]

There is occassional cause to supplement the use of Zeovit with sterilization methods such as UV or Ozone, one of them being in the advent of a bacterial bloom from overdose of Start2...

By far and large though, it's completely unnecessary once you hit phase 2/3.

[Nate]

Good old canreef...this is the classic canreef thread

My input would be that the zeo bac would be made less efficient if used with a uv, becasue a UV is used to kill single cell algae and bacteria that flow through it. Thus, if you turn off the UV for a bit after dosing zeobac, or, didn't dose the zeobac into the feed pump of the UV, you would probably be ok, as the zeobac would be able to settle in the zeo rector.

That being said, generally the tanks that run zeo have that stupid fuzzy fine algae and the UV would do absolutely nothing for this.

Wost case setups would be where you would use the same feed pump for the UV and the zeo reactor and everything that goes in the zeo reactor flows first through the UV.

I think you are probably fine running both, but often times a UV is not the most necessary at all time of the aquarium process...that being said, either is zeo...

[shrimpchips]

Originally Posted by Jason McK

Sorry but the object of Zeovit is to create an active bacteria culture in your Tank to elliminate nutrients in the system.
The purpose of a UV sterilizer is to kill Bacteria.

Those are the basic functions. they simple can not exist together in the same system.

J

The amount of bacteria in the water column in negligible compared to the bacteria that colonizes every other surface in the aquarium (think live rock). Hence bacteria on the rock will never be killed by the UV sterilizer.

It's entirely possible and more likely probable that the bacteria that gets added gets a chance (in the hour or so of no UV) to settle on a hard surface and is proliferating and active there.

[Myka]

I can see where globaldesigns is coming from. I can see where the UV could help him (guessing here?) with his current setup. The bacteria that ZEObac puts into the water column should be colonizing the live rock and sand in much higher concentrations than the water column anyway, so using UV with ZEObac will inhibit it to a certain extent, but it definitely wouldn't compromise it to any huge extent provided the UV is turned off for awhile (I would guess that 2-3 hours would be sufficient, but I'm taking an "educated guess") just after dosing the ZEObac. I would bet that you could find people discussing this on the ZEOvit forums. This is the same philosophy that water changes during the cycle won't inhibit the cycle at all. [If you care to read more about that, I go over it in the cycling article in my signature.]

And he IS right, too many people think the book is the only way. Personally, I like to suggest "the book" method (haha) to newbies, so they have a base to start from that helps them along. I certainly don't follow the book all the time, but mostly I do because hey, it usually works. There is no way to expand knowledge if everyone is doing the exact same thing.

Albeit, I am far more closed-minded to things like keeping difficult species, which I think experimentation should be left to the pros where sucess is more likely.

[BlueAbyss]

Originally Posted by fkshiu

Canreef is like a tripped out hippie commune compared to places like Reef Central.

Yes, rather than a university staff room (with it's plethora of 'professors' and 'experts').

I'm going to side with those that feel that the bacteria don't proliferate in the water column. If your tank is overstocked or has a high bioload, UV is probably best for the health of your fish... otherwise shouldn't really be needed. And UV makes your water nice and clear (when used with a skimmer).

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Myka

And he IS right, too many people think the book is the only way. Personally, I like to suggest "the book" method (haha) to newbies, so they have a base to start from that helps them along.

There's a book?? Now you tell me!!

Seriously people, there was no bashing here, certainly nothing to close a thread about. There is generally a right(ish) way to do things, and that was all that was offered. If something different works for someone, well, that's awesome!
But, as Myka says, many people need to follow the "rules" when starting out, so clarifying what those are may help new people that get confused by the more experienced variants of any given method.

[globaldesigns]

Now this is turning good. See different views and ideas, not just bashing, this is good, we need more of this.

These are the types of threads I like reading and would be more than happy to post to. thanks to all that have posted their great thoughts and ideas.

We can all have our different views, but we still need to get along. Thanks all...