Stop Clearcutting

[Cap'n]

Originally Posted by demon666

no i will not petition.......... to many jobs at risk if something were to ever happen....... think about how many people would be out of work........ the loggers ( the ones cutting down the trees)........ the truck drivers.......... then there are the ppl in the mills.......... and last but not least the tree planters that come in after it is all said and done to replenish the deforested area............ just another way to look at it

Actually, an end to clear-cutting would probably create more jobs.
- It would necessitate a restructuring of the current forestry industry and administration would be required to plan and implement the changes.
- Sustainable development (silvaculture, etc) of lumber land means the same land could be used longer and more frequently than the current clear-cutting method.
- Alternatives to pulp paper, like hemp, would be encouraged to grow along with the lumber industry creating a whole new workforce.
- And in the long term, the surrounding areas would be far more attractive to developers, tourists, movie producers, wildlife, etc.

[demon666]

k look at it this way...... sooner or latter by man or nature that forest is going to come down.........y loose out on the revenue that it will create..... this year a fire could do the same thing learing out that forest..... causing the same problems......... and no money from it to replant the trees that were destroyed........... who are you going to potition when the fires come and clear out your forests?????

[Murminator]

I will ask only one question

Has anyone here benefited from clearcutting?











So easy to forget

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by Murminator

I will ask only one question

Has anyone here benefited from clearcutting?











So easy to forget

That's pretty minor when you consider the fact that a single tree takes up 671 lbs. of CO2 over its lifetime, giving 235 tons (470,000 lbs.) of CO2 abated per acre of trees over the course of the trees' lifetime.

I'm going to strongly recommend that you sit down for this movie:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inconvenient_truth/

It shows the extremely persuasive arguments of less golf courses, less housing, less money, and less elaborate cabinetry for what they really are: inconveniences - ones that have environmentally sound solutions.

[demon666]

im with murray................

no one on this board can tell me that they would give up their house or give away their money or build a getto fish stand out of cynder blocks to be displayed in their living room of for mentioned house and give up the golf courses to save the life of the trees....... pls


albert do you live in a tin house?

[AndyL]

Maybe I started out a bit harsh - spent a bit too much time debating merits of GAMP, and some other 'environmental' topics yesterday.

Spray Lakes sawmills actually does some good work when it comes to forestry management. That picture I posted above, is actually of SLS's work. That logging clearly visible isn't close to clearcutting (by it's old definition - hectares of trees removed), But that is their standard practice, if you use google maps hybrid, look to the area from hwy 1 south of bragg creek, you'll see that type of logging repeatedly. Looking through their forest management plan (available until june 23rd) http://www.spraylakesawmills.com/ there's no mention of a change in their approach to logging.

So... Knowing spray lakes's previous work, I'm highly suspect of claims by environmentalists that suddenly they're going to cut down huge swaths of forest, leaving not a tree standing... That hasn't been their technique in the past, I doubt it will be their future goal.

[Murminator]

Wow that looks like a good movie I have to put it on my got to see list

[Murminator]

Originally Posted by Murminator

Wow that looks like a good movie I have to put it on my got to see list

Hmmmm seems to be only showing in Calgary

[demon666]

lol

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by demon666

im with murray................

no one on this board can tell me that they would give up their house or give away their money or build a getto fish stand out of cynder blocks to be displayed in their living room of for mentioned house and give up the golf courses to save the life of the trees....... pls


albert do you live in a tin house?

You're taking that way out of proportion, no? That's completely out of the context of what I said.

Firstly, they've already developed materials for home construction that are completely 100% free of wood. I couldn't cite the material for you other than I've caught it twice on Daily Planet. These materials are far more fire resistant, structurally more robust and can be made into modular units - decreasing the build time into a matter of weeks vs. months.

Second, no one is giving away any money. There's plenty of ways to make money and solutions to jobs have already been mentioned earlier in this post.

Third, my stands are made out of metal with MDF skins and they look fine to me. MDF is made out of wood waste products, of which there are plenty to be had as it is.

Last, I don't golf. I've tried it. It reminds me of waiting for the bus. There's not much of an objective commentary I can make here other than the fact that there's plenty of golf courses as it is.

So would I give all that up? Well, unless there's some really compelling reasoning that I'm completely ignorant to that doesn't involve human wants, you bet I will.

I've got a question for you:

What says you to a future where your children only hear about forests in history classes?