New rules?

[Aquattro]

Yes Walter, I suppose I could have explained it better.

your threads were in my mind when this came up, and as you said, I joked about it. It was a joke.

Sponsors are a business, and as such, can run it any way they like. Come, go, do what they need to do. They, especially frag dealers, bring new and exciting things to the table which in turn trickle down into next year's hobbyist sales.

The whole Denny thing was attempted offline, but he choose to make a stink about it publicly, and at that point the decisions had to be quick and somewhat painful. It's a shame he couldn't have been more mature about it and worked with us to come to an understanding. He was banned for a week but then offered a reward publicly to spam the board. He made his own bed.

We also don't like to lay down rules all the time. But it's a necessary evil that comes with the territory. If it isn't written down, it gets abused. I can't revisit this with every individual every time it happens, so a rule is posted. In this case, I took the worse case scenario and tried to accommodate that individual, while being able to justify their posts at the end of the year. We have leveled the playing field without causing much, if any real consequence on the people that feel they are affected. If anyone feels this isn't so, they can PM me and I'll run through the scenario. I am certain they will be pleasantly surprised with the freedom that they still have to sell their frags.

No, almost all of you are not school children. But some are. So when posting any formal guideline, we need to address the lowest common denominator. As mature adults, I trust you all to understand this need and not feel it's directed at you.
I just went to the store. The door had a Pull sign on it. I didn't take to suggest the store thought I was an idiot. It's just a simple reminder of how something works. Same with our rules.

[The Guy]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

You know, if you would have stated this reason for the new rules and worded them to support this intent, I would not have objected. I actually prefer keeping a single thread going for a while with just bumps and occasional updates. Having said that, it was you, Brad, that once joked that I had the longest running frag FS thread going. So then I started doing more threads and shortening them... Can't win...

But I still have a problem with whining sponsors who come and go, and are just takers that don't contribute with knowledge and support.

And the Denny thing, whatever happened, could have been handled with PMs and a ban if necessary, without creating all this upset. But I, as a few others, don't like unnecessary nanny rules that paint all of us with the same broad brush. It just shows a lack of respect and trust for those who do live within the rules and intent of the forum and hobby. We are not school children (at least most of us...lol).

Well said Walter, this last paragraph says it perfectly.

[intarsiabox]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I ask that people that think they are affected simply play along for 6 months. If it's really not working, let us know via PM and we'll look at it.

Isn't that about the time you leave? HeeHee

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by intarsiabox

Isn't that about the time you leave? HeeHee

shhhh

[ponokareefer]

Sounds like I missed some fun. Unfortunately as a business owner, I get to deal with people that like to try to break the rules/laws all the time. They ruin your day and make things worse for everyone. Human nature seems to be slipping in my mind with more and more people doing it. To the Mods that have to deal with it, I feel for you. You aren't in a very pleasant situation. I think i'll go have some ice cream now.

[spit.fire]

Originally Posted by Colby Bay

Looks like I missed all the fun as well.

I am not a sponsor but I am a business owner and I am willing to pay to advertise on the site. Anyone else that is a business or wanna be business should pay as well. The problem is Titus needs to pull his head out of the sand and charge everyone the same price! Word travels, very few people paid the same for advertising.

Also titus has to realize the world is chaning. Facebook is free. Canreef....... the prices I get quoted are WAY TOO much for what its worth. Hence why I am not a sponsor.

To clarify I have not read the new rules. And apparently I missed the fun thread. But canreef does charge too much for me to sponsor but thats not up to me to decide.

So I will continue to be a lurker until prices come back into line.

And Titus remember facebook is Freeeeeee, thats your competition these days.......

Colby

I agree with the sponsorship price being wat too expensive, working at the store that shall not be named me and my brony spent alot of time debating if the Canreef sponsorship was worth the ridiculous price. We can to the conclusion that Facebook is free and found that we were making more money through Facebook than we would have on Canreef

So in conclusion, Canreef sponsorship is way too much money for what you get


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[rayjay]

I see nothing wrong with a business deciding it's not worth the cost of sponsorship and/or its terms of reference. If all sponsorship withdrew, then I could see that costs might be too high but obviously there are still those businesses that see it as a reasonable expense or they too would not do it.
I would see a problem though if said business made the decision to not pay for, but then expect to still have the same priveleges that those who DO pay have.

[Aquattro]

In the end, it's up to a business to determine where to spend their dollars. Some see the value, others do not. That theme holds true across everything ever offered for money. Cars, food, reef equipment, etc.

But yes, if you want to have advertising here, it costs money. An amount that may or may not be of value to an individual business. Too high or too low or too purple is all subjective.

[Sebbie]