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Reef Pilot · #**241** 04-29-2014, 01:31 PM

Yup, easy to get rid of it with Chemiclean, but unless you can maintain the right balance of bacteria to out compete the cyano, it will come back. And any carbon dosing like vodka or even bio pellets will just fuel it more. And sudden changes (new coral feedings, etc) can also upset that balance.

And it doesn't matter if your P04 and N03 are near zero. Cyano can still happen.

mrhasan · #**242** 04-29-2014, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kien

Actually, what I was suggesting is that the reason you don't have brownapora and that your tank otherwise looks so good is because the cyanobacteria is in fact acting as a nutrient sink taking nutrients OUT of your tank before they become a concern. Not unlike the bacteria that some people add in other methods like Zeovit, for BioPellets, etc.

Seriously though, I don't recall anyone using Chemiclean and not getting results out of it. Cyano is such an easy thing to get rid of (with chemiclean)

If it comes back after Chemiclean, then ya, either you do have a real problem or you just simply re-introduced the bacteria by adding new livestock that had the bacteria in the water or you just simply need to do a second treatment.

I hate these sort of situation. Things go well and suddenly BOOM! Something happens

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Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

Yup, easy to get rid of it with Chemiclean, but unless you can maintain the right balance of bacteria to out compete the cyano, it will come back. And any carbon dosing like vodka or even bio pellets will just fuel it more. And sudden changes (new coral feedings, etc) can also upset that balance.

And it doesn't matter if your P04 and N03 are near zero. Cyano can still happen.

Can you please link me to your post, where you talk about how you effectively used chemiclean, at your convenience?

Reef Pilot · #**243** 04-29-2014, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mrhasan

Can you please link me to your post, where you talk about how you effectively used chemiclean, at your convenience?

Chemiclean gets rid of your cyano, for sure, just follow the directions. But to keep it from coming back you have to get your bacteria in balance to out compete the cyano. And there is a sure fire solution for that.

It's called MB7. I have discussed this many times in various threads over the past year. And yet, I see people still struggling with it, and not solving the problem long term. Here is one thread with several of my posts. You can start there.
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...737#post837737
The key points to understand are:
- Go slow with anything. Rapid changes cause imbalances.
- MB7 will not get rid of cyano. Use Chemiclean for that.
- MB7 is a preventative for cyano, and is especially important if you use bio pellets or other carbon dosing. And the MB7 has to be started BEFORE the carbon dosing is used (at least 2 weeks before).
- Follow the MB7 directions carefully (except I never had to shut off my skimmer). Ramp up slowly and do not overdose. Then ramp down to low dosage. If cyano does reappear (it may at first as it takes time for the beneficial bacteria to get fully established) go back to the initial high dosage for a few days. Once the cyano is beat and you have not seen it for some time, then you can cut the dosage even further than what the instructions recommend.

Like I said, have not seen cyano in my tanks for 2 1/2 years, and last time I had to use Chemiclean was about 3 years ago now. But before that, had major cyano outbreaks regularly, and was constantly turkey basting to try and get rid of it. And with my low dosage usage now, it is costing me less than $20 per year for a 230g system. Plus many other benefits, too...

mrhasan · #**244** 05-01-2014, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

Chemiclean gets rid of your cyano, for sure, just follow the directions. But to keep it from coming back you have to get your bacteria in balance to out compete the cyano. And there is a sure fire solution for that.

It's called MB7. I have discussed this many times in various threads over the past year. And yet, I see people still struggling with it, and not solving the problem long term. Here is one thread with several of my posts. You can start there.
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...737#post837737
The key points to understand are:
- Go slow with anything. Rapid changes cause imbalances.
- MB7 will not get rid of cyano. Use Chemiclean for that.
- MB7 is a preventative for cyano, and is especially important if you use bio pellets or other carbon dosing. And the MB7 has to be started BEFORE the carbon dosing is used (at least 2 weeks before).
- Follow the MB7 directions carefully (except I never had to shut off my skimmer). Ramp up slowly and do not overdose. Then ramp down to low dosage. If cyano does reappear (it may at first as it takes time for the beneficial bacteria to get fully established) go back to the initial high dosage for a few days. Once the cyano is beat and you have not seen it for some time, then you can cut the dosage even further than what the instructions recommend.

Like I said, have not seen cyano in my tanks for 2 1/2 years, and last time I had to use Chemiclean was about 3 years ago now. But before that, had major cyano outbreaks regularly, and was constantly turkey basting to try and get rid of it. And with my low dosage usage now, it is costing me less than $20 per year for a 230g system. Plus many other benefits, too...

Thanks

I use zeobac (equivalent of MB7) so should be good in that section. Infact, zeovit method suggests zeobac and coral snow mixed and dosed to out compete cyano but it seems like an extremely long process. I will keep this thread updated on the new product from zeovit called Cyanoclean. Says that it can take upto 8 weeks so I will have to be patient

mrhasan · #**245** 07-24-2014, 11:48 PM

Yap I am stilling hanging to this hobby

Cyano taken care off. I don't know why it was being so persistent (I think the pores somehow got into the tank and it was fueling on zeovit). Anyways, used two treatments of chemiclean and they are gone.

None of the coral lost its color but on the good side, the pom pom xenia died after the treatment along with many mushrooms so that was nice.

Here's some pics. Didn't feel like taking out the DSLR so here's some crappy pics of the tank.

2014-07-24 17.10.08 by md. raied, on Flickr

2014-07-24 17.10.20 by md. raied, on Flickr

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2014-07-24 17.11.16 by md. raied, on Flickr

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2014-07-24 17.12.01 by md. raied, on Flickr