Didn't bother going any further with the test...

[don.ald]

Originally Posted by PFoster

i run phosban on our +1000g systems. Once your PO4 is low it really does not take much to maintain it there.

Personally I much rather prefer using phosban over biopellets.

How much do you run in a 1000+ system?

[PFoster]

2 inches of the Fauna Marin Power Phos in a TLF phosban 150.
Thats it.

We do not have a high fish bioload, but insane coral load.

[asylumdown]

If you get the bulk GFO it's not that bad, it's the process of getting phos levels down that burns through it quickly, but once it's down you don't go through that much. If you've had high phosphate for a while, you're going to have to keep changing the absorbing media until it stops leaching from your rocks, but once you're there, easy peasy. With levels that high, I'd bet you'll need to change your phos media every day to two days for a week or so just to get the levels down to the 0.03-0.00 range, and you'll probably burn through GFO faster than you'd like for the next few weeks-months, but it will eventually level out. Watch out for stress to your corals though, as sudden changes in phosphate levels isn't their favourite thing in the world.

And as stated, phosphate removing substrate such as GFO is a way better bet for phosphates than biopellets, unless you're starting with nitrate levels 16 times higher than your phosphate levels. Biopellets can only consume nitrate and phosphate according to the Redfield ratio of C:N:P at 106:16:1 The biopellets supply essentially a limitless amount of carbon, so it's the nitrogen phosphorous balance that you have to worry about in how effective pellets will be, with phosphorous being the least utilized molecule in the process.

In most cases (and yours, most likely), people have phosphate well in excess of the redfield ratio relative to nitrates, so after the biopellets reduce nitrate to trace/undetectable levels, they're left with the balance of phosphates that can only be brought down by GFO. I've been running Biopellets since day one, and without GFO, my phosphates can climb as high as 0.08ppm (tested by hanna), while my nitrates stay undetectable.

For the record though, even 1.2ppm phosphates in the hanna checker test vial (the highest I've seen with my checker) doesn't produce a colour change that the human eye can detect, so are you sure you didn't accidentally mix in some powdered plant fertilizer instead of the hanna reagent?

[Madmak]

I think you need to run that test for us, just for kicks. It is likely out of range for the Hanna unit but it would be neat to know what level bright blue is.

[lastlight]

Originally Posted by asylumdown

Biopellets can only consume nitrate and phosphate according to the Redfield ratio of C:N:P at 106:16:1

Learn something new everyday thanks for that. Makes a ton of sense and makes us sound like mad scientists too which is a nice bonus.

[kien]

translation: biopellets suck at stripping P04.

[spit.fire]

Originally Posted by lastlight

Learn something new everyday thanks for that. Makes a ton of sense and makes us sound like mad scientists too which is a nice bonus.

What about vodka or vinegar

[spit.fire]

Originally Posted by Madmak

I think you need to run that test for us, just for kicks. It is likely out of range for the Hanna unit but it would be neat to know what level bright blue is.

We were afraid it would start smoking and light on fire

[spit.fire]

This may sound dumb but... From what I understand if I raise my bioload, biopellets will be more effective at removing phosphates?

[Madmak]

Originally Posted by spit.fire

This may sound dumb but... From what I understand if I raise my bioload, biopellets will be more effective?

That is true by coincidence. Fish and fish food typically add more Nitrates than Phosphates so it balances that ratio mentioned above.

With Phosphates that high and pellets you may need to dose liquid Big-Macs and Pop-Tarts for a few weeks.