Photo help - Proper colour - Canon SLR

[Coasting]

Could and should. Sure if your camera is capable of a property WB that is fine. Mine and the OP does not seen capable and so the need of some software help is required.

It damn well better! It cost enough!

Well with all the discussion, checked my instructions for the camera and yippie just went in altered my kelvin colour rating for my WB to 10,000k
Didnt touch my iso, just went and tested to see what would happen.
I see a nice difference.

before


After






Still a little off but Now I think im heading in the right direction, and can fool around with the other settings.

Hoping to maybe get some more input from others though, the more I can learn the better. And I still want to avoid editing if at all possible! (other then re-sizing in paint)

[Snaz]

Click Click

[MarkoD]

It doesnt matter what camera or how much it costs. It won't perform properly unless you use it properly.

If you do use software for post, boost the contrast, brightness and slightly increase saturation. It'll make everything pop

[Coasting]

Originally Posted by MarkoD

It doesnt matter what camera or how much it costs. It won't perform properly unless you use it properly.

If you do use software for post, boost the contrast, brightness and slightly increase saturation. It'll make everything pop

Exactly why I want to figure out how to use this thing properly
This camera is new to me, bought it for myself for christmas and Haven't had a chance yet to take it out and test all the features like I did with my old SLR.

Cant find the tripod... Will play around with some of the settings now on the same 2 coral and see what happens.
My only regret.... Buying a bowfront.

[Coasting]

Iso 100, f 5.0, 1/60


iso 640, f 5.0, 1/60


iso 200, f2.8, 1/40


iso 400, f2.8, 1/30


iso 1000, f4.5, 1/60


iso 6400, f8.0, 1/60


Kept the same iso, fstop and speed for all these pictures but played with the following settings on the camer itself.
Sharpness, Contrast, Saturation, Colour tone.
Max all 4


Max all but contrast 0


Max all sharpness low.


Max all saturation 0


Max all tone 0


All 0, sharpness max


all 0, contrast max


All 0, saturation max


all 0, tone max


Any of them look any better?

[Snaz]

What is your goal? True colour or brilliance ala frag sellers or somewhere in between?

True colour is obvious, what your coral looks like under white light. Super brilliant like you see on websites selling coral where the saturation is cranked up to "My Little Pony" levels or somewhere in between.

Your shots are getting better and your skill with that camera has increased ten fold just today.

What looks best is what you think looks best. When will we see you with a POTM?

[Coasting]

Im kinda aiming for photos that look as if you were looking right at the coral, but at the same time, having a few overly flashy ones wouldn't hurt, but my goal for now is true colour.

I just dont know what one is best representing the coral as each photo thats close is still slightly different. I think it will take a lot of playing around.
I may up the 4 slightly but not all the way, takes away from the grey.
I get less grey/truer colour with a lower ISO, but their too dark, 1000-2000 seems okay... ah I dont know.

Now if only the fish would stay still long enough to get their picture taken.

None of the recent potm themes have applied to me haha.

[jroovers]

Hi Coasting, I too shoot with a 7D. Great camera IMO, but I too am still figuring out how to use it. Once you get the photos going, then you can shoot some unreal video! My tips:

- shoot in camera raw
- shoot your pictures with custom WB at 10,000k (which you already figured out)
- to minimize blur, you need to have a high enough shutter speed to negate shake if taking shots hand held, or use a tripod. IMO shooting in manual mode and adjusting ISO, Aperature and Shutter speed independently is the way to go. Just remember the higher the ISO, the more noise you will get (the pic will look "grainy").
- it looks like you have a lens that is capable of great depth of field (i.e. a low f stop number), which means that the lens will allow a lot of light to hit the sensor when open, which IMO is good for aquarium shooting. You are all set there.
- play around and take a lot of shots. A realistic keeper to trash'er ratio IMO is somewhere between 1:10 and 1:20.
- you have to learn to use your post-processing software. No buts about it. With the 7D you would have gotten Digital Photo Professional, which is Canon's editing software. It is good, and easy to use, and you don't have to pay additional for it. When shooting in raw, you are essentially telling the camera to just store the raw info. When shooting in jpeg mode, the camera adds things like contrast, saturation, etc. automatically. I find the 7D raw settings to be really low on saturation - if you open a raw file in DPP, you will see the "sharpen" slider and "saturation" slider all the way to the left (0), and usually most RAW shots will require a bit of sharpening and colour adjustment. They look a bit dull, lack contrast, and have a hint of edge blur straight out of the camera.
- The beauty of shooting raw is correcting exposure and WB after you get the image on your computer. Use the WB "dropper" and move it over your image, and try and find a square that is roughly 18% grey. Click it. It will likely balance your image closer to what you are seeing realistically. If it didn't look right, undo, and try again with a different tone. Once you play around, you'll find it. The beauty is that when you do find it, you can then copy that setting to your other images, saving lots of time!

Here are a couple of recent shots I took with my 7D of my tank and a Sigma 30 mm 1.4 lens:

[Nano]

I used a tripod, and as the above poster said, shoot manual, I cant find my raw setting so I shot everything in "normal" mode versus vivid/more vivid, took it and adjusted the saturation and contrast on photoshop, maybe a bit too much saturation, but it looks much better then my other shots from before! that being said it is much more true to the light and color after I made the adjustments, maybe a bit more blue, but truer none the less.
here is before

and after

[jroovers]

Originally Posted by Nano

I used a tripod, and as the above poster said, shoot manual, I cant find my raw setting so I shot everything in "normal" mode versus vivid/more vivid, took it and adjusted the saturation and contrast on photoshop, maybe a bit too much saturation, but it looks much better then my other shots from before! that being said it is much more true to the light and color after I made the adjustments, maybe a bit more blue, but truer none the less.

If you are shooting in a non-raw mode (i.e. producing a jpeg straight out of the camera), the camera will "automatically" add a certain level of contrast, saturation, etc. So if you are adjusting the saturation in PS afterwards, you run the risk of over saturating. The second pic compared to your first is much better without a doubt, but as you said maybe a touch too high in saturation IMO.

Anytime you touch the saturation slider, you are going to get accused of PS'ing your picture. If you can shoot raw and stick to adjusting the proper WB'ing and adjusting the exposure in PP, and nothing else, you'll get pretty true to life results and can claim that you are not touching saturation, which might change the opinion of many who look at your pics. Part of the problem though is that people really don't know what "Photoshopping" a picture means - anytime you shoot in raw, you at the very least need a raw photo converter to produce a viewable pic (i.e. jpeg) so a certain level of PP is necessary. It is when you start jacking the saturation and vibrance to unrealistic levels that you run the risk of overdoing it. However, without someone viewing the pics and then seeing your tank to compare, the "realistic-ness" of the shots is based on the photographer's perceived credibility by those viewing the pics.